From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG  Mon Sep 10 00:03:37 2012
Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG>
Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org
Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52])
	by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FE7106567D
	for <arch@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:03:37 +0000 (UTC)
	(envelope-from erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com)
Received: from alogreentechnologies.com (alogreentechnologies.com
	[67.212.224.110])
	by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13AA8FC24
	for <arch@freebsd.org>; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:03:36 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from X220.ovitrap.com ([122.129.201.5]) (authenticated bits=0)
	by alogreentechnologies.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id
	q8A03W1t013807; Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:03:34 -0600
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 07:03:31 +0700
From: Erich Dollansky <erichfreebsdlist@ovitrap.com>
To: Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com>
Message-ID: <20120910070331.3fe2900c@X220.ovitrap.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAF6rxgnN6GL38o=7LHnGLR-copo=FCpDObxu4SR5PK9yzMNemA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF6rxgnZGjzm230sZXVXxmE7wPowF_BZqbwRjdvz8oV-03gS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120908234659.GA10489@server.rulingia.com>
	<504BD9B5.20001@shatow.net> <504BE020.1070300@FreeBSD.org>
	<504BE12A.50907@shatow.net>
	<9A528A3C-40F1-4599-ACAB-EF306033A4F2@bsdimp.com>
	<86pq5vtj42.fsf@ds4.des.no>
	<alpine.BSF.2.00.1209091628400.13080@ai.fobar.qr>
	<CAF6rxgnN6GL38o=7LHnGLR-copo=FCpDObxu4SR5PK9yzMNemA@mail.gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cc: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net>, arch@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Removing CVS from HEAD
X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5
Precedence: list
List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture <freebsd-arch.freebsd.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>,
	<mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch>
List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>
List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-arch>,
	<mailto:freebsd-arch-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:03:37 -0000

Hi,

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 12:57:48 -0400
Eitan Adler <lists@eitanadler.com> wrote:

> On 9 September 2012 12:30, Bjoern A. Zeeb
> <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote:
> >
> >> We had cvs in base because we used it.  We no longer do.
> >
> >
> > We still do until about 2015 when FreeBSD 8 is expected to end
> > (depending on 8.4 to happen and when).
>=20
> We are only discussing remove CVS from HEAD. It does not affect the
> stable branches (as I do not intend to MFC the removal).
>=20
>=20
>=20
you ignore here the problem the typical user will face when upgrading.

Removing a basic component should work the other way around. It should
stay in the base system as long as there are servers out there
supporting it.

Then the infrastructure for the new system must be put into place.

When the infrastructure for the new system is up and running, the
infrastructure for the old system can be taken down.

It is nothing more than the story of the chicken and the egg.

Erich