From owner-freebsd-current Mon Jun 11 9:45:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9535937B409; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BGjN901589; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BGjNA08546; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Andrey A. Chernov" message dated "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:15:32 +0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-192768850P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_-192768850P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 00:51:32 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > > > o tell Nik about the change. > > > > Nik is responsible for doc/ tree. > > > > o discussion about "when" we do repo-copy. > > > > To minimize the side effect of the change, prior announcement > > (at least, to doc@FreeBSD.org) and discussion are very important. > > 1) I post HEADS UP to -doc several hours before the change happens - no > one object. Let's see. You sent a heads-up to -CURRENT for /usr/src/release/doc and /usr/doc at "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:56:50 +0400". This was the first hint that I would have had that you were going to touch RELNOTESng at all. The commit that renamed RELNOTESng happened about "2001/06/10 18:48:17 PDT". This was, er, let's see, about *two hours* later?!? No wonder no one objected...I bet you were already finished before most people read your heads-up message! Did you realistically think that a two-hour advance notice on a weekend was sufficient? > 2) Peter does repo-copy as I ask. I have wrong assumption that he > coordinates with Nik at this subj. > > > doc/ and src/ is different. Renaming under doc/ is not "must". > > All changes of such nature are not "must" - there are always hackarounds > exists. The reason for them is to minimize constant efforts and > possible confusion. There would have been less confusion if your heads-up had actually been sent with enough advance warning that people would have actually *read* it. > > For example, see the definition of "DOC_LANG" in src/release/Makefile. > > Did you actually look there? I already fix it for -current and plan to > MFC, but stuck in current misunderstanding we discuss. You broke the overnight snapshot build of RELNOTESng for RELENG_4 (jkh just sent me the build failure report). But I see now that you've just MFC-ed something to src/release/Makefile...hope this fixes it. For the record, I'd just like to state my extreme annoyance at this lack of notification. I don't think I'm being overly demanding. It'd have been good enough for me personally if, say, two days ago, you'd sent a message to -doc saying "we're going to re-do some of the I18N stuff, go read -i18n for details". Bruce. PS. And perhaps someone can tell me if these changes are going to get MFC-ed and if so, how RELNOTESng is going to get handled. Remember, it's branched, unlike doc/. --==_Exmh_-192768850P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JPWj2MoxcVugUsMRAocNAKCLHU+U4qBnQ04H+T98beUpBSWsCgCgo7t1 CMgZOs7Bm81m/gHUh3thh1o= =sFaw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-192768850P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message