From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 8 00:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2F37B404 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170943F75 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-38lc11n.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.4.55] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19l1ry-00044U-00; Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:41:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3F3353D6.183AE6C8@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:40:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" References: <3F2D1713.9060806@liwing.de> <20030803181735.GC6331@cicely12.cicely.de> <3F2EA5AD.E4C73C6@mindspring.com> <20030804184248.GA41334@crodrigues.org> <3F2F8A5F.A17CABCA@mindspring.com> <3F324AFF.1070104@tcoip.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4535dfdb0bb56b84121315309fb23faada7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: Craig Rodrigues cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: INET6 in world X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 07:41:15 -0000 "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > He apparently doesn't understand that v6/v4 NATs and proxy servers > > would let him deploy today ...assuming that the Windows stack was > > there. > > What do you mean "the Windows stack was there"? XP supports IPv6, as > long as you install it, so I assume there's something missing *in* XP's > IPv6 support. What is it? 1) Machines do not ship with it enabled by default; a Windows user has about as much probability of doing the necessary work to enable it as they do of making something other than Internet Explorer their default browser. 2) You have to go to a command line prompt and issue a cryptic command to enable it at all. 3) When you enable it, you get a huge scare warning about it being experimental. 4) 95% of the existing Windows machines in the world are not running XP, and the last time I saw the code for Windows 95/98 IPv6 support was the Summer of 2000; they took it down from their site after that. 5) AFAIK, it still doesn't support key exchange, so you have to manually configure the keys, which is a really difficult and tedious process, and won't work with any embedded device that depend on key exchange working (e.g. thing NAT gateways, etc.). 6) The last time I tried the "experimental" version, it did not correctly interoperate with AIX or FreeBSD, but worked fine Windows-to-Windows, so they've done *something* to it to embrace and extend it. In short: "It's not ready for Prime Time". -- Terry