From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 01:09:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0FF339CDB for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 01:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dPgb23Tcz4Wbg for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 01:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.33.179]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MEFrX-1jqfuV0WNJ-00ABWQ; Fri, 05 Jun 2020 03:09:26 +0200 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 03:09:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: dwilde1@gmail.com Cc: Brandon helsley , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-Id: <20200605030925.e4194867.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200605024331.51b34130.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:5Pdxak5PsgLsWIF0aewqvLSjZ/QVCgziQCDe8uqK30An1Egp2Su sTJutfjIf6EjVKfIc4S4LfT5Wb+ptHRE+cMlDt/KJhvAJsm7EKT8bQzJ5M9gLLN+/fSmiC8 7Cm6uqjgl5Wtti9PZH4kM5mMs3DJTSSV/8KIBatZ+IadO4wZcSfmIukr1H6bseNAshZ98nm Z5BkZV9LGoiVqLbF4Hb1A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:E/pPXXC2xRA=:fs6U5qK5CYFo1TVzG4Bbh7 2cG14q+nCKt5ID50VJTAcx+4cJlOPdL67VPr4/rUeDZh34dpZ/TSWb+DP4nc8+bf7ooA62xrc K3Hbp5PeQjxnLkjjqLYdSM8oBY6x5ZMVQSwax03fL/vzNFIXve8bwJGKyRiF7WHajWZbMCmlv V9jth1PO1kfgpaDERp8iNr5IJmvKWHsGh0CIlVW+4VKa71YdbwJLSY9uz/oTBvP0FUgKVikzw g91+07SETzsrtQpk1/QJSFOxDkyXuKrFip4eQHSCaFr6lozLvV1fdaRfdnuGWgzRfN1dySB+M qHydl6RGxUwJXUqcEYMvEOSDjO9LxA3aSNTnhjB4OmWcXnAqMpPRZH/z7bKYVCTtZyhFgcbws I6TN1icCFbbMI0SSOpecnIQJfw86vAVDEW+noAin86/8r/ERtECnNkUJxeE5dPRz1M6SiVAz0 rvycEG2aajroy7gw+RBuOIJY+OmqjKHfR2Z4NXCRCt3lDLftqjU7rnwbKp2EjGqgvY/n2Qc6E T6aNoyNWLraNuFQqAhxa5CS8bRwb3U7c5PL/Ac8RlgKNP3S1YRQsWFQ5lsEjnrw1Mu2O65U+P hUvifFm2IU2IwoWp4J/0EggPROVejwhz7clZaEMQXfJr7ao/FW0NEKpXFGTIwzw/WlbyZHOsp LMJQqSwGLb9fKLNgyJa8y2E9DXXTYKcG+q1dKa2Vizc/RO35+VS7j/Ctw5qS8FBICJFfjQzJs sk//q4qg/9wIQ43qeyJ4B57MICbroTkEb9LSvFNsGQrL2/fZO5ZXCNwYLONh5sFVIbyNYB27C TVfW/Jax5IKYEjZEvNsYvwLSYqbdEQJSr964g2abSUjITSTyZSy+prCNDj0klqHAwxAo2rT X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dPgb23Tcz4Wbg X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.72 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.09)[-0.094]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.33.179:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.931]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.65)[-0.650]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 01:09:32 -0000 On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:54:15 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: > On 6/4/20, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:08:01 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: > >> If it's an Android phone, whatever MUA you have on it should also have > >> such setting switches. > > > > Emailing on a smartphone is a terrible experience. Real people > > use a real computer for real stuff. :-) > > I'm busily re-designing smartphones in my 'spare' cycles because they > barely fit my needs for a _phone_! Smartphones are not _designed_ to be used for phone calls. :-) > >> What I'd suggest that you do is to go to gmail.com and create > >> brandon.helsey@gmail.com and subscribe that address to your > >> open-source mailing list collection. The GMail client can be accessed > >> from any (lynx, anyone? Haven't tested THAT one :) ) web browser, so > >> you can use this on your FreeBSD machine or even a public library > >> computer. > > > > Which, from a security point of view, is one of the worst things > > Point taken.As you can see, 'easy' has overtaken 'secure' for me for > some time. As yet, my GMail hasn't been hacked and it does a pretty > good job of stomping spam, especially from actual live politicians. > ;-) Yes, the functions built into Gmail are actually useful, even if used at a "secondary stage", i. e., with a non-Google mail account. The downside is that you share lots of things with BB that you might not be comfortable with. Luckily, you can do all those things locally on a FreeBSD machine (spam filtering and blacklisting, for example). > >> The downside to GMail is that it is more difficult to categorize > >> e-mails, but IIRC it can be done. > > > > In my opinion, it's just added complexity to something as simple > > as email. Adding Google's Gmail to the mix does not lead to any > > benefits, I'd say. Probably "hotmail.com" already offers some > > web mailer that could be used. But as there is IMAP confirmed, > > why not use that with a normal mailing program on a real computer? > > Anything is better than trying to do this on a smartphone, without > > real success... :-) > > > > Actually, I do like to have folders of e-mails that I stash, but > that's a personal preference. Hey, I do the same with Sylpheed - the "sidebar" on the left contains a sorting hierarchy. Such hierarchies can be maintained automatically by filters acting to keywords, or manually by mouse drag & drop. Thunderbird also has this feature, making it easy to manage IMAP accounts using your local interface and not having to worry about Internet connection - actions will be taken at synchronization time that you can decide on yourself ("offline mode"). > It sounds like the MBox format can do > that, so I'll make a transition myself in some near future. Both mbox and MailDir can be used for hierarchical storage. The main difference is that in mbox, you have _one_ file per mailbox, which can lead to big files; in MailDir, you have one file per message, which can lead to many files. Depending on filesystem parameters, one or the other can slow down message retrieval when you have millions of messages. As I mentioned, the storage mechamism doesn't actually matter as in the end, it all looks the same to the user: +-----------------------------------------------------+ | [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] | +----------+------------------------------------------+ |#### | # ######### ###### #### #### | | ##### | ##### #### #### #### | | ##### | # ######### ####### #### #### | | ##### | ########### ## #### #### | |#### | ######### ##### #### #### | | ##### +------------------------------------------+ | ##### |### ############## | | ##### |### ####### | | ##### |### ###################### | | ##### | | | ##### |### ######## | | ##### | | | ##### |##### ####### ### ### ###### ## ###### ## | |#### |### ### ##### ### ####### #### ###### ## | | ##### |###### ######### ####### ##### ##### #### | | ##### |########## | +----------+------------------------------------------+ Yes, I drew this by hand and local editor copypasta. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...