Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:17:57 -0500 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Showstoppers for RPI3 Message-ID: <b66a5fa6-461e-7e96-ae3f-07fa8add72e9@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <9AF20341-AFCC-46BE-A2F2-96CF01655983@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: <20200225175446.GA77976@www.zefox.net> <11951E01-EC13-4FBB-938A-AEB5700C4281@yahoo.com> <CACNAnaEiv5NZZz%2BxfETkhSZ-zbjZ3Ya6z7pyteheP4zj3EK1Gg@mail.gmail.com> <20200226052045.GA79939@www.zefox.net> <E866B6BE-7948-4412-82EF-999A2F8C0DF9@googlemail.com> <04e8e290e5d7bb810f76ece4ff33d6e1006e63cd.camel@freebsd.org> <9AF20341-AFCC-46BE-A2F2-96CF01655983@gromit.dlib.vt.edu>
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This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010203090008040104050104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/26/2020 3:41 PM, Paul Mather wrote: > All fair enough. I'm probably in the same boat as Bob Prohaska inasmuc= h as I have a couple of Raspberry Pi devices of varying vintages hanging = around. I'm a longtime FreeBSD user, so, naturally, I prefer to run Free= BSD on these devices, and have done so for a while (with varying degrees = of success/stability). > > It sounds from the above I shouldn't bother, for pain and misery will a= ttend me all my days as a result. :-) > > If Raspberry Pi is a crappy platform and a bad choice to use, FreeBSD-w= ise, what is the suggested alternative in the same low-power/low-price (a= nd Raspberry Pi-like spec) arena? Is it the Pine64 stuff like the PINE A= 64, ROCK64, and ROCKPro64?? > > I'm willing to buy something other than Raspberry Pi (I have a BeagleBo= ne Black, for example), but I don't want to buy something that is derided= and despised by FreeBSD developers and avoided by them like the plague. = I am not an ARM/SoC or electronics expert, so I feel unqualified to know= what is a "crappy ARM platform." > > Also, if the true situation with Raspberry Pi is that it is unlikely to= see development within FreeBSD, it would be more honest to deprecate the= platform officially on the FreeBSD site. I'd even go so far as to sugge= st not to distribute official images for it, as that carries with it a hi= nt of blessing and support. > > Cheers, > > Paul. I'm not at all sure that's reasonably fair, to be frank. I have Pis in both the "2" and "3" vintage running what I consider to be = production (and important) code.=C2=A0 Other than the issues that ALL Arm= =20 platforms have (e.g. lldb doesn't work right, so have fun debugging=20 things) I've had zero trouble with it.=C2=A0 In fact, I've got uptimes=20 recorded in the many-months timeframe, only limited by when the power=20 goes off and since I use them in a "NanoBSD" environment I don't much=20 care if/when that happens, since the things they talk to go off when the = power does too, and they've always come back up on their own. Are they perfect or even "excellent" platforms?=C2=A0 Not really.=C2=A0 T= he I/O is=20 a mess, but if you don't need more "oomph" in I/O capacity than they=20 have it doesn't matter (e.g. they make poor routers or firewalls, simply = because they don't have the necessary "oomph" through the network side=20 of things.) I'd be happy to move to something else too, provided it was something I=20 can get at a reasonable cost and does the things I need (specifically, I = need I2c and GPIO for the purposes I put these to.)=C2=A0 But... what is = the=20 "something" I should move to? --=20 -- Karl Denninger /The Market-Ticker/ S/MIME Email accepted and preferred --------------ms010203090008040104050104 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC DdgwggagMIIEiKADAgECAhMA5EiKghDOXrvfxYxjITXYDdhIMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMIGL MQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECAwHRmxvcmlkYTESMBAGA1UEBwwJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkw FwYDVQQKDBBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRgwFgYDVQQLDA9DdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgQ0ExITAf BgNVBAMMGEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgMjAxNyBDQTAeFw0xNzA4MTcxNjQyMTdaFw0yNzA4 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