From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 24 17:29:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E35106566C for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:29:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlsonmark@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AF48FC12 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carlsonmark@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 31so491966yxl.13 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tUg6gFYRJ5fJFagfXGFsX177ogQPjwhxNXmyy5GlmYw=; b=jNGKr3u9qx/pNSY/kMP/DSaYtYRyMDb8H0o9Dd/G5kcxJ5Lrxl+SIu8RCSaRQg0CQh +m3ZUIVbeE+rKAuugAheGg+S5zBvm3gULNHrtVQlWJCS0zy7xVzxcVcjn9fQyARoiYSk /Up1uWjbVyMZEU5wH5PHRGrwqCQpwFqu0jgUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wDTq7xEiWKWQY79waQavg7m5lO4lsTrAvRqd1+KewNEDBvFH303epxqtjOOsFBIc7N IUaqJRrt88ccuwsJ69L0orgOHuC5zw6Chf6db7cJ3HNpEmEKhJvqSoZjCLQ/IkXBTLcK fGfW48IlxLMwkyaEswCCg/tZRfAmPehUX6PpU= Received: by 10.143.4.11 with SMTP id g11mr5897121wfi.52.1214326988598; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.106.17 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:03:08 -0600 From: "Mark Carlson" To: "John Kozubik" In-Reply-To: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> Cc: jamie@bishopston.net, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, narayan@neelum.com Subject: Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:29:14 -0000 On 6/19/08, John Kozubik wrote: > > > Don't shoot the messenger: > > > FreeBSD is not useful as a desktop environment without the ability to > support Flash in a stable, well-performing fashion. > > > Running IE in Wine is not a solution. > > Running another OS in vmware to simply browse the web is not a solution. > > Free flash alternatives and flash movie players, etc., are, unfortunately, > not a solution. > > ports/linux-flashplayer9 _is_ a solution, however it (currently) fails > badly. > > > Solution: > > > First, a bounty has been posted here: > > http://blog.kozubik.com/john_kozubik/2007/12/bounty-posted-f.html > > We aren't even asking for new code, per se - anyone merely posting a > recipe that allows linux-flashplayer9 to run, without crashing and with > reasonable performance, with a generic browser (opera, firefox, konqueror) > can claim the bounty. In fact, a recipe that is entirely inside the Linux > Binary Compatibility layer would be just fine - running the linux version > of a browser through binary compat is reasonable[1]. > > Second, I am calling on the FreeBSD Foundation to commit time and money to > ensuring that flash functionality is recognized as a high priority for > FreeBSD desktop use. I am willing to donate funds for this purpose. > Flash 9 will not be the baseline forever, and it is inefficient to ramp up > a grass roots bounty effort each time Adobe releases a new product. For > this reason I believe it is reasonable for the project itself to ensure > that Flash support is delivered and maintained in a timely fashion. > > > > [1] Since we're all probably already running Linux Binary > Compat anyway... I've found wine + firefox + flash to work for everything I've tried so far (youtube, various websites with flash ads, one or two flash-only sites.) It did crash on me once, but I'm not sure it was related to flash. Wine is pretty good, but not perfect. If all you need is to visit flash sites, it's a decent workaround in the mean time. Also, I was very surprised how easy it was to set up (not having used wine before.) -Mark C. P.S. That's some ugly cross-posting you've started there...