From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 29 15:20:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12885 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.231.236.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12797; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 15:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA23567; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199807292219.SAA23567@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: FreeBSD advocacy To: scott@computeralt.com (Scott I. Remick) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199807292109.RAA10511@server.computeralt.com> from "Scott I. Remick" at Jul 29, 98 05:09:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott I. Remic wrote: > Linux is getting a TON of front-page publicity and support lately. And > so... where's FreeBSD in all this? Some of Linux's advertised weaknesses > ("It's good, but...") are FreeBSD's strengths. The articles would read a > lot differently if it were FreeBSD being talked about instead, and imagine > if FreeBSD started getting all that publicity... Agreed. However we haven't yet got critical mass. Linux has lots of different CD vendors, distributions and partisons. We've got the best -- the FreeBSD crew, Walnut Creek and a great set of mailing lists, support folk on the net that KNOW UNIX. However, Linux has an evangelical bunch of GNUites that are pushing hard for their "GPL'd everything" mindset. There's also Caldera and Red Hat offering "PAID SUPPORT" which counts in the business market. (Read that as someone to blame, sue and fight if something does not work as advertised). We just need ONE vendor (Netscape, Real Networks, Oracle, Informix, Bru, Sybase, TriTeal, Lotus, IBM, Corel) to put FreeBSD up into the "officially supported release" category and we move up the notch into the REAL Competition. I would love to see a supported CDE for FreeBSD. A Wabi would be great. I wonder if Caldera ever made back the investment with Sun... I've got Moo-tiff. That's about all that I found for FreeBSD two years ago. BTW -- it's selling cheap at InfoMagic since the Linux one seems to be the only supported Moo-tiff version. > > For example, Michael Vizard says "The only things Linux still lacks are a > sophisticated set of installation routines and the support from a large > service organization." Well, FreeBSD has an EXCELLENT installation routine > imho, and has a much better organized team, support and beyond. Geez. I cursed the Red Hat 5.0 install last week. I've been loading Linux since SLS and I hadn't seen a Linux install I prefer to sysinstall. The last BSD installation that didn't work out of the box on my hardware was 2.0. > > I think FreeBSD's PR team needs to send some emails, make some calls, and > start kicking some major butt ;) > > (I don't subscribe to these lists (I get too many others already) but I'd > appreciated if responses were cc:'ed to me so I could follow. Thanks!) I've been waiting to see just one name vendor go FreeBSD. I really think a common binary and installer for Free/Net/OpenBSD might work if we could unify enough to get this done in the name of commercial apps. We'd have to lock down this format to NOT change, though. Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message