From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 25 15:10:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE93416A407 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp1.utdallas.edu (smtp1.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB6D43D55 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:10:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) by smtp1.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CEA38901F for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:10:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:07:07 -0500 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200609251147.46990.erwin.vandevelde@gmail.com> References: <200609251035.15484.erwin.vandevelde@ua.ac.be> <20060925092647.GB94311@qlovarnika.bg.datamax> <200609251147.46990.erwin.vandevelde@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="==========EAE24EA77EE27C68C67D==========" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Restarting services X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:10:41 -0000 --==========EAE24EA77EE27C68C67D========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline --On Monday, September 25, 2006 11:47:46 +0200 Erwin Van de Velde=20 wrote: > On Monday 25 September 2006 11:26, Vasil Dimov wrote: >> IMHO in this case the administrator should be changed, >> not the way ports operate. Building idiot-proof system is impossible and >> leads to the: >> >> Shaw's Principle: >> Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will >> want to use it. > > This is not about being idiot-proof but being handy to use. It also > reduces service downtime by immediately restarting the service after > update instead of waiting for the administrator to restart it. > This implies that one is doing unattended port updates. IMNSHO that's a=20 very bad thing - unless you're updating a workstation - in which case you=20 shouldn't be running any services except sshd. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ --==========EAE24EA77EE27C68C67D==========--