From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 02:29:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: docs@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFB316A425; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B945943D45; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:29:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949CE1310CB; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:59:43 +0930 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78D538521C; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:59:43 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:59:43 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20051006022943.GW45811@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <1128561588.62455.13.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20051006015217.GM45811@wantadilla.lemis.com> <434483D2.3050801@centtech.com> <20051006020330.GQ45811@wantadilla.lemis.com> <43448A2E.3030706@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="eGyD7iWN192kf2IJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43448A2E.3030706@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: docs@FreeBSD.org, Joe Marcus Clarke Subject: Re: New website rendering problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 02:29:45 -0000 --eGyD7iWN192kf2IJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 5 October 2005 at 21:21:34 -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 5 October 2005 at 20:54:26 -0500, Eric Anderson wrote: >>> Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, 5 October 2005 at 21:19:48 -0400, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q27. I'm >>>>> using and 
 tags to display pre-formatted text.  However, it
>>>>> comes out looking quite awful in the new layout.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it would help to understand what you're seeing.  I see
>>>> fixed-width text that's about 50% too large.  Selecting normal or
>>>> large text size makes no difference.  But, unlike the home page, at
>>>> least it renders "correctly", without overlapping fields and texts
>>>> that overflow their boxes.
>>>>
>>>>> What should I be using instead?
>>>>
>>>> IE?  It looks as good as could be expected there, though even then it
>>>> overflows the box a little bit.
>>>
>>> Funny - it looks perfect for me on my FreeBSD 7 box with Mozilla.
>>
>> You're probably running at a lower resolution.
>
> Maybe - I'm running at 1920x1200 on my 17" LCD.

I'm surprised it renders well at that resolution.  But maybe you've
made your fonts very small.

> What is yours at?

2048x1536.

>>> Maybe you should snap a screen shot and post a link..
>>
>> I did a while back, when this was being discussed.  Anyway, take a
>> look at http://www.lemis.com/grog/Thumbnails-20051006.html, which
>> shows the two pages at 10% size.  Click on the images for 25% size,
>> and click on *those* images for full size.
>
> Oh my goodness - those are horrid.  It looks like your fonts (in
> firefox) set larger -  does it look better after hitting CTRL-- ?

No, because that's the minimum font size, 18 pixels.  On this display
(135 dpi), that's just under 10 pt.  I tried with 16 pixel (9 pt), and
the layout got better (though the security advisories still overflow),
but it's hard to read.

I appreciate that HTML is a terrible tool for getting layouts right,
but I think that in this case it would help to leave a little more
space.  It'll be a while before 300 dpi displays come into general use
(hampered by HTML rendering issues, mainly).

Greg
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