From owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Fri Feb 1 21:12:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E26514C0DF4 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [140.82.23.70]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8878381D75 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 21:12:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from duke.gem.co (cpe-76-175-75-27.socal.res.rr.com [76.175.75.27]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 3a8c5887 TLS version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:12:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The status of docker To: Grzegorz Junka , Mark Blackman Cc: Stefan Bethke , freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org References: <089e330d-2761-2440-3b7f-dd22e9088af5@gjunka.com> <929CF558-E8CC-4F7D-9C30-DDD63C17861D@lassitu.de> <94964BDE-7B14-424B-88A5-4D8F4A9AAC56@exonetric.com> <83736f61-abe9-d85f-a782-1b684808678c@gjunka.com> <11fa9f16-0745-c86e-4820-fd9349b4d1ef@nomadlogic.org> <01255294-b0d6-3de9-6cde-671bd763a5a8@gjunka.com> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <3d447c97-f2c9-8f22-2c28-4c5920560a27@nomadlogic.org> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 13:12:23 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01255294-b0d6-3de9-6cde-671bd763a5a8@gjunka.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8878381D75 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 140.82.23.70 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.56 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[27.75.175.76.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.781,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.47)[ip: (-8.89), ipnet: 140.82.16.0/21(-4.44), asn: 20473(1.04), country: US(-0.07)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:140.82.16.0/21, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 21:12:27 -0000 On 2/1/19 1:07 PM, Grzegorz Junka wrote: > > On 01/02/2019 19:49, Pete Wright wrote: >> >> >> On 2/1/19 11:39 AM, Grzegorz Junka wrote: >>> On 31/01/2019 07:50, Mark Blackman wrote: >>>> What problem are you trying to solve with docker? >>> >>> There is a misunderstanding. I am not trying to solve any problem. >>> The team I am working with is using docker during development (by >>> using a preconfigured container they avoid having to setup a complex >>> backend system on development/CI machines). I was hoping to use >>> FreeBSD during the development but it proved difficult. I now have a >>> choice of either switching to Linux natively (as bhyve didn't help) >>> or to use MacBook Pro - both supporting docker out of the box. >> >> might be worth taking a look at hashicorp Vagrant.  i've used it with >> success in developer workflows  in the past where most devs were on >> macOS and we were targeting FreeBSD. >> >> https://www.vagrantup.com/intro/index.html >> https://app.vagrantup.com/freebsd/ >> >> >> IMHO docker on macOS is kinda hacky since you end up running Linux >> inside virtualbox, then launch docker on those VM's (at least I >> believe that used to be the case if things have changed).  i also >> feel like docker is a double edged sword (aside from the fact that it >> locks you into linux) in that most people don't do a good job >> tracking dependencies or actually apply updates/patches to base >> docker images. >> > > Looks like that that's no longer true and hasn't been true for the > past 2 years: > > https://containerjournal.com/2016/08/15/docker-not-just-linux-anymore/ > > But it also looks like something similar could have been achieved by > replacing xhyve/Hyper-V with bhyve. If docker is open source then that > shouldn't be a problem? hrm, i guess the macOS install instructions are out of date: https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-mac/install/ "VirtualBox prior to version 4.3.30 must NOT be installed (it is incompatible with Docker Desktop for Mac). If you have a newer version of VirtualBox installed, it’s fine." -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA