From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 17 12:02:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A295B16A4CE for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:02:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de (mail.dt.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.163.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D13C43D2D for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:02:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ma@dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])9DF1743BD5; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (krusty [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27723-03-2; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from m2a2.dyndns.org (p54854810.dip.t-dialin.net [84.133.72.16]) 50F6B43BD2; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3BED1C1C; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from merlin.emma.line.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (m2a2.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 31274-03; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.emma.line.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 522FCCE9F8; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:53 +0200 (CEST) To: David Syphers In-Reply-To: <200410161416.51163.dsyphers@u.washington.edu> (David Syphers's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:16:50 -0700") References: <1097916792.1810.4.camel@kaiser.sig11.org> <200410161208.32381.dsyphers@u.washington.edu> <200410161625.42502.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> <200410161416.51163.dsyphers@u.washington.edu> From: Matthias Andree Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:02:53 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110003 (No Gnus v0.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de cc: Marc Ramirez cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: rionda@gufi.org Subject: Re: UPDATING readability X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:02:58 -0000 David Syphers writes: > Okay... this would be grammatically correct. However, I'm curious why the > original poster believes the current version to be unclear, since it is also > grammatically correct. (Omitting "that" or "which" at the beginning of a > restrictive relative clause is very common in English.) Yes, but this is pretty special to English; I know three other languages and English is the only one that leaves the _necessary_ relative clause (as in this case) without pronouns or other distinction. I'd agree that is correct, and from a knowledgable point of view, it is desirable to omit the commas and the "which", but I understand that less skilled non-native speakers may have difficulties understanding the whole paragraph. -- Matthias Andree Encrypted mail welcome: my GnuPG key ID is 0x052E7D95 (PGP/MIME preferred)