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[75.128.101.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bf7sm33856869igb.9.2014.02.24.20.56.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Feb 2014 20:56:25 -0800 (PST) References: <530049a1.XXZ1PjZFgRyCu9X6%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <53092D83.6050603@digiware.nl> <4B5A7B51-74E2-4F8E-827D-251F0DBC9326@bitblocks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=sha1; boundary=Apple-Mail-0415E19D-F09E-4C70-8825-727102E6BEFA; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1447F7F5-8030-4340-B4E3-7A3EAF8055D3@dataix.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (11B554a) From: Jason Hellenthal Subject: Re: Thoughts on Multi-Symlink Concept Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 23:56:21 -0500 To: Daniel Braniss X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: "freebsd-filesystems@freebsd.org" , Perry Hutchison , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Willem Jan Withagen , Jordan Hubbard , Bakul Shah X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2014 05:34:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail-0415E19D-F09E-4C70-8825-727102E6BEFA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's a bit more complicated than the average Yogi bear would look for thou= gh. --=20 Jason Hellenthal Voice: 95.30.17.6/616 JJH48-ARIN > On Feb 24, 2014, at 3:39, Daniel Braniss wrote: >=20 > and we also have automount/amd/am-utils/autofs =E2=80=A6 >=20 > here we have /usr/local via am-utils mounted to the correct arch/os/versio= n. >=20 > danny >=20 >=20 >> On Feb 23, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jordan Hubbard w= rote: >>>=20 >>> Indeed. I often tell interns who are looking for interesting project id= eas to simply look back into our own past. Almost all the really interestin= g and cool research activities where operating systems are concerned seems t= o have happened between the years of 1970-1990. Sprite, Plan 9, Mach (hey= , file space name servers anyone?), Domain OS, all kinds of neat ideas that s= adly died or were forgotten in the name of consolidation, performance and ex= pedience. Indeed, the performance of some of those concepts was actually ra= ther woeful when 4MB of memory and 1MIP were all you one to work with. Mayb= e now that we have more hardware horsepower than we almost know what to do w= ith, it=E2=80=99s time for some of those ideas to enjoy a renaissance? Sou= nds like a good EuroBSDCon or BSDCan talk. :-) >>=20 >> Plan9 is alive and well! Well, at least used by a small but >> a diverse group of people! And with the advent of the plan9 >> RaspberryPi port I see new people playing with it! >>=20 >> With Plan9 style per process name space, 9P protocol (to >> easily construct a filesystem API for anything), mount() >> syscall to connect to a fileserver speaking 9p, and bind() >> syscall to overlay/underlay a filetree on another, you can >> achieve the equivalent of variant symlinks and much more! >> You can easily implement a 'multi-symlink' fs as well! >>=20 >> On plan9 all device drivers also speak 9p so you can even >> mount a remote network stack on your local machine (no need >> for NAT!). User programs such as rio (a window manager) and >> acme (an editor) also provide FS access to their facilities =20 >> which makes it easy to write scripts to interact with them. >>=20 >> Some examples: >>=20 >> bind $ARCH/bin /bin # now files in $ARCH/bin appear in /bin >>=20 >> mount /srv/dump /n/dump dump # make the dump fs available at /n/dump >> bind /n/dump/2013/11/12/arm/lib/libc.a /arm/lib/libc.a >> 5c -o foo foo.c # now foo is linked with libc.a of 12-Nov-2013 >>=20 >> 9fs sources # /n/sources points to sources/ on sources.cs.bell-labs.c= om >> bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src /sys/src # overlay on local /sys/src >>=20 >> There is already support for 9P in Linux, Qemu and few other >> places as it is pretty simple to add. UCB's many core=20 >> research OS Akaros is using 9p and the network stack from >> plan9. >>=20 >> If anyone is inspired to add 9p & friends support to FreeBSD, >> I encourage you to play with plan9 on the RaspberryPi as it is >> pretty easy to use and lots of fun. [Kernel compile takes a >> minute on the RasPi. The equivalent of `make buildworld >> buildkernel' about 4 minutes. Of course, the system is pretty >> minimal] >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= --Apple-Mail-0415E19D-F09E-4C70-8825-727102E6BEFA Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIUOTCCBjAw ggUYoAMCAQICAwaijjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNVBAoTDVN0 YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRlIFNpZ25pbmcx 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