From owner-freebsd-sysinstall@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 27 16:57:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A509106566C for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f09:679::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307548FC0A for ; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id B075B8FAD; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:57:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on muon.cran.org.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.2.5 Received: from [192.168.1.140] (87-194-158-129.bethere.co.uk [87.194.158.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 27 May 2010 16:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4BFEA475.3090607@cran.org.uk> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:57:25 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tobier@tobier.se References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:06:52 +0000 Cc: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sysinstall for just installing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-sysinstall@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Sysinstall Work List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:57:38 -0000 On 27/05/2010 09:27, Tobias Eriksson wrote: > I've been thinking a bit about sysinstall. > What do we really want to do with it? > See, the way I use sysinstall is just to install my system, I never use it > after an install, so to me it seems pointless having it on there after I > have my system up and going. Of course this is just me, maybe many out > there use sysinstall daily. > > What I'm getting at is that maybe sysinstall should be more tailored to > just installing: make it more straightforward to the user. Start with > setting up the keyboard and language, then maybe the NIC menu as described > in earlier posts, and then move on to partitioning and package installing. > > Is it just me that thinks like this, or do you have similar thoughts? > It seems to be recommended to only use it for installing, and to use other tools for post-configuration: for example the partitioning section has been copied out into usr.sbin/sade. It should definitely be more straightforward, without the baffling list of options and settings: for example I had a discussion with someone recently who rightly thought that users shouldn't have to go into the FixIt menu when they've already loaded the LiveFS CD - it should be more or less automatic. Whether this gets fixed is another matter: apparently one of the discussions at BSDCan was about having the PC-BSD installer be the primary method for installing 9.0, with FreeBSD's sysinstall being available if users need it. -- Bruce Cran