From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 11 14:08:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B7816A417; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from relay.riscworks.net (v32231.1blu.de [88.84.154.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAAA13C458; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from zoidberg.riscworks.net (f054174248.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.54.174.248]) by relay.riscworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5D8136E0002; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:08:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from zoidberg.riscworks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoidberg.riscworks.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 52EB11CC5; Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:08:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:08:27 +0100 From: Timo Schoeler To: Kris Kennaway Message-Id: <20080111150827.b95d258d.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> In-Reply-To: <47877678.5090206@FreeBSD.org> References: <47873B06.9010603@riscworks.net> <200801111058.m0BAwAMG001075@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080111140144.59498431.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <47876B39.3040703@FreeBSD.org> <20080111145128.abb76a0a.timo.schoeler@riscworks.net> <47877678.5090206@FreeBSD.org> Organization: RISCworks Environtech X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.5; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:08:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Thus Kris Kennaway spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:00:24 +0100: > Timo Schoeler wrote: > > Thus Kris Kennaway spake on Fri, 11 Jan 2008 > > 14:12:25 +0100: > > > >> Timo Schoeler wrote: > >> > >>>> It will even go into the CVS tree (though probably not > >>>> into GENERIC) if the source is clean, style(9)-compliant > >>>> and well maintained. > >>> It should do with *one* exception: Every other, more important > >>> problem (e.g. getting ZFS to v9) is *solved*. If this is the case, > >>> import the USB christmas tree device driver and introduce > >>> dev.xmastree.lamps.blink as sysctl, absolutely no problem. > >>> > >>>> But even if it doesn't go into the > >>>> tree, that's not a big deal. For example, for several > >>>> years I maintained some patches that improved syscons > >>>> (kern/15436). They didn't go into CVS, but they worked > >>>> fine for me and a few others. > >>> But I bet you would be fine with it in the tree as well as some > >>> others, if not all others? If so, why didn't it get into the tree? > >>> Maybe because some lower-priority USB christmas device driver was > >>> imported instead? > >>> > >>> This is the crucial point I wanted to show: *Priorities*. > >> You are making the incorrect assumption that one developer working > >> on e.g. your /dev/uxmas in any way effects the development of other > >> "more important" parts of the tree. > > > > No, I didn't. I said that the work is done ineffectively as he's > > doing underprioritized stuff. Working on higher prioritized stuff > > would be more efficient, and would help the project even more. > > > > Given the assumption that the developer is able to do both, the Xmas > > tree as well as importing ZFS v9 into the tree. > > > > (I don't see the point that when somebody is really *capable* of > > doing both things, why should (s)he do the 'lower priority' thing. > > If you are at the olympic stadium and you're the best sprinter, you > > wouldn't join the marathon...!) > > > >> In almost all cases it does > >> not. If they were not working on that "lower priority" code, they > >> would not be working on your "more important" code anyway, unless > >> they already wanted to do that. > > > > That's just a lack of responsibility, morals, and enthusiasm. So, > > why code at all? > > You are not listening to what we're telling you about how software > developers work, You don't get the difference between how it was ten years ago and how it is today. This is not my problem. > and you've also overridden the Reply-To: chat in my > previous email, which is inappropriate. I apologize. :) > I'm not going to exchange further emails with you on this topic, and > you've also strongly encouraged me to also delete your future emails > unread. You are a very mature guy with whom discussing on a non-polemic level is a great pleasure. (If you can find sarsasm [0] in this sentence, feel free to keep it. It's a gift.) > Goodbye, > Kris Have a nice day, Timo [0] -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHh3hbUY3eBSqOgOMRCkMTAJ0Z+KkNsjsgJmNQGx2SN0FkZDyoMwCgo0vP UlJRlG9QwOWkUa1K+SSnUAM= =7vDY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----