From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 1 04:28:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384016A41A for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A8913C45B for ; Mon, 1 Oct 2007 04:28:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kip.macy@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so4532089waf for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0BZ5bmJotzIGTCtV9RPvDQHZdvu2FvcCU2EuRjeQG3k=; b=L8MmKQWoNzLzunTv7stwGFg278kduALFBcGQd86wkcM4MBSOMof95BkMyzBnCz1xZ4ZQ6IPUT8A4hdZpudk1S490VWkfjSr4G0LxZEpVHQY3IPENM1ZfhLzn1nBMK85bMlO+IocEvhF65m6zIX3S3U9zGT2+Dyf/0vA6952UGyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HTfSGyHQhrujP06YpLQUrOyms2uUUCwpyW/EjSWrEAUY39A/zEoSLXt+vZ+jlqG3eOZTbZoGR8VzqGb+2gnxgC1cqU02sTJKadYV7XgaeOwNCRwJC3LYsWra+tIpd6H1UvaTXFarlkGoXMjaL53A1sTF/OWTDskkEd73fl6Ewcc= Received: by 10.115.79.1 with SMTP id g1mr145286wal.1191212895307; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.13.15 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:28:15 -0700 From: "Kip Macy" To: "Aryeh Friedman" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: various rants about 7-currnet on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:28:16 -0000 This would be much more helpful if you were to file bug reports for the individual items with greater detail and then follow up on them periodically. -Kip On 9/30/07, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Sorry for the negative tone of this message but a little background > may help.... about 1.5 months ago I bought a new machine for personal > use [my only machine actually]... hw (upgraded from a p4-2.8): > > intel e6850 > intel p35 mobo (ihc9) > 4 gb (ddr2-667 1GBx4) > 500 gb sata > 8600 GS nvidia (replaced for reasons below witha 5200 GT) > 20" widescreen crt > direct cable connection to the net > hp deskjet 6980 > > Being a FreeBSD users since the mid 90's I obviously started with > it... in the quest for a working well tuned config (still a few issues > even with the current config): > > 6.2 (cvsup'ed to most recent PL) with i386 kernel > 7-current (cvsup'ed upto last night) i386 > 7-current amd64 > > The last shows the most promise so far: > > Issues (all of which have been posted on -questions or -x11): > > 6.2 -- > > * Horrid non-SMP kernel performence (acceptable after SMP was added) > > * Xorg (7.2) not working at all (vesa 640x480 with no mouse was the best I > managed) > > * Many TCP/IP stack issues > > * All native java builds fail with compile errors > > * hplip fails immediately after install > > * Doesn't recognize PATA drives if installed at the same time as SATA > > 7-CURRENT i386 -- > > * Horrid performence under default kernel needed to switch to > ULE/IPI_PREMEPTION/DEVICE_POLLING > > * Kernel sees card after install of nvidia driver but Xorg (7.3) > doesn't recognize it (vesa 1024x768 only)... many address conflicts > reported... nv driver is no better > > * All native java builds fail with compile errors > > * hplip fails immediately after install > > * Diablo-jdk15 completely broken for any GUI oriented code > > 7-CURRENT amd64 > > * Diablo-jdk15 completely broken for any GUI oriented code (jdk16 > works well though) > > * Many desktop ports fail with i386 vs. amd64 errors > > * Nvidia-driver does not support amd64 (but nv works now but only at 1024x768) > > Misc Rants: > > CPUTYPE naming -- > > For people who have been around for a while (read mid-90's) and > have never used any AMD mobo's we are used to "historical" differences > between early pentiums and amd equivs (for that reason I have never > bought a AMD machine)... so calling the 64bit x86 architure amd64 is > confusing and misleading. > > HARDWARE.TXT -- > > hardware.txt sheds absulutly no light on the above issue except to > make it clear that ia64 is not the right choice. > > Suggestions: > > * Figure out why xorg should care if your on a 32 or 64 bit addressing > bus (has to do with placing pci's buffers at the high end of RAM I > think) > > * AMD64 should be recommended (or at least better documented) for all > dual-core machines > > * Both nvidia.ko and the nv driver need to be improved (I know this is > nvidia's problem) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >