From nobody Wed Feb 7 20:19:49 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TVWgX40jZz5B1RB for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:19:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrichhartzer@tuta.io) Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.tutanota.de", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TVWgW56kbz47Rf for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:19:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrichhartzer@tuta.io) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tuta.io header.s=s1 header.b=h5TTHNs3; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=tuta.io; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of henrichhartzer@tuta.io designates 81.3.6.162 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=henrichhartzer@tuta.io Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63751FA013E; Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:19:49 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1707337189; s=s1; d=tuta.io; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=uZQtSMiyU6k4z0hHnInox3yvmUnfT86ECGwrUaSGFz0=; b=h5TTHNs3IkKp1EHJeO9Mvt8GEq5NbhHllKoGtiOOIFgzBj2KFPfEqTgrozLA2j4G Gl2b5KPYnBvG6b/ssgQ2a8GHokQgUNPqe/lx19AZcSFC6fvvWbfJp5sbtxexEBOKkhS oaVaUiA4J7ogOua5j2MQFtLIKGvJu6BTmmnpGCjlYnmO6m7wazxXh4r+sYu3SoZFb0a nDPSG31RO4Y1sbRHSDgHc7ftgmYdQNOlG4tcgpGHghss6+tMoIZXM6yR8yplReXImzM diEoZCGC7bcHIT8cK8jEZlkaAEH89ilQjjY7gqbuJf4PHtAZr5TMzAGf1GElTtHwg6F NzTNM4wWyw== Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 21:19:49 +0100 (CET) From: henrichhartzer@tuta.io To: Ronald Klop Cc: Freebsd Ports Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <592560205.22819.1704440645198@localhost-NnN_9Iu----9> References: <592560205.22819.1704440645198@localhost-NnN_9Iu----9> Subject: Re: Latest and quarterly best practices List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[tuta.io,quarantine]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_EXCELLENT(-0.40)[81.3.6.162:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tuta.io:s=s1]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:81.3.6.160/28]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24679, ipnet:81.3.0.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tuta.io:+] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TVWgW56kbz47Rf Hi Ronald and all, Sorry for the wait on this. I didn't mean to stir up any controversy. I thi= nk the general guidelines are good. I have requested many times that a part= icular package update be backported into quarterly. I was mainly just hopin= g to put this out in the open so more people might think about it. Jan, you are absolutely right about hyprland. I was trying to come up with = a negative example of why someone might not want to update quarterly right = away, but it was a bad example indeed. Thanks for the discussion here. I appreciate all of the replies. Henrich Jan 5, 2024, 07:44 by ronald-lists@klop.ws: > > > Van:> henrichhartzer@tuta.io > Datum:> 4 januari 2024 02:52 > Aan:> Freebsd Ports > Onderwerp:> Latest and quarterly best practices > >> Hi, >> =20 >> I'm not a committer so this shouldn't carry much weight. Just wanted to= express my opinion. >> =20 >> I think the latest and quarterly setup is a nice and clever one. Unfort= unately, it seems fairly often that ports that should probably be cherrypic= ked into quarterly are not. Occasionally, some updates make it into quarter= ly that don't make clear sense to me, but this is much more rare. >> =20 >> I propose that as a rule of thumb, if a package uses Semantic Versionin= g (semver) and the changes are non-breaking, it should be cherry picked int= o quarterly. Especially if this is only a patch level change and not a mino= r, but likely either way. >> =20 >> A couple of recent examples that I've seen, which I would like to point= out Please note that I am *not* picking on anyone and this is just what I'= m more familiar with. >> =20 >> net-p2p/monero-cli was updated from 0.18.2.2_2 to=C2=A00.18.3.1 on the = 19th of October. Any software that is blockchain related tends to need to b= e as current as possible for security reasons. Quarterly still has=C2=A00.1= 8.2.2_2 (although 2023Q1 will be cut soon, I assume) which is quite out of = date now. >> =20 >> An opposite case, and this one may be truly a no harm no foul case: x11= -wm/hyprland was updated from 0.33.1_2 to=C2=A00.34.0, and cherrypicked to = quarterly. There were a number of changes in this release, and I personally= would be hesitant to recommend such a cherrypicking unless there were know= n issues with 0.33.1 that users had complained about. Otherwise, since it's= an offline window manager, it seems like waiting for the quarterly release= would make the most sense. Now in this case I don't know the context and c= herrypicking may have made complete sense -- I'm just using it as an exampl= e to try and explain my thoughts. >> =20 >> Please don't feel at all like I'm being nitpicky. I'm just hoping to co= ntribute how I can and it seems like the processes around cherrypicking cou= ld be improved. I love FreeBSD and appreciate the tremendous amount of work= that has gone into it. It really is great because of the contributions of = many I'm just hoping to make it even greater! >> =20 >> Thank you for reading, and Happy New Year! >> =20 >> Sincerely, >> Henrich >> >> >> > > Thanks for your ideas. > > There are some guidelines to this. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Ports/QuarterlyBranch > > But it is not a =E2=80=9Cprocess=E2=80=9D as in somebody is responsible f= or this. It is mostly up to the maintainer of the port to cherry-pick. > > So if you miss something in a Q branch I think it is fastest to: > 1- contact the maintainer of the port by mail or PR. > 2- contact this ports mailing list. > > Does this resolve anything of your thoughts? > > Regards, > Ronald. > >