From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 22 05:36:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4D916A4CE for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:36:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.175.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C976443D48 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:36:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO optimator.noacks.org) (noackjr@supercrime.org@70.240.199.245 with login) by smtp006.bizmail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2004 05:36:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CC46212; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from optimator.noacks.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (optimator.noacks.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00608-04; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from compgeek.noacks.org (compgeek [192.168.1.10]) by optimator.noacks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5D261B2; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by compgeek.noacks.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id i7M5alKd002138; Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from noackjr@alumni.rice.edu) Message-ID: <412830EF.4010008@alumni.rice.edu> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:36:47 -0500 From: Jon Noack User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (X11/20040806) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean McNeil References: <1093108393.4202.8.camel@funshine.carebears.net> <20040821133701.6ecf9f04@dolphin.local.net> <20040822040453.GA11878@cat.robbins.dropbear.id.au> <1093148651.47618.3.camel@server.mcneil.com> In-Reply-To: <1093148651.47618.3.camel@server.mcneil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at noacks.org cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org cc: "Conrad J. Sabatier" cc: Tim Robbins Subject: Re: [Fwd: sound in CURRENT] X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noackjr@alumni.rice.edu List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:36:53 -0000 Whoa there on the cross-posting... multimedia@ seems like the best place so let's stick with that. On 08/21/04 23:24, Sean McNeil wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 21:04, Tim Robbins wrote: >> [long rant snipped] >> >> It's unreasonable to claim that the whole sound system is broken on >> the basis of one driver not working with your hardware -- I've had >> no problems whatsoever with sound on my system, using both the >> onboard sound (VIA 8237/ Analog Devices AD1980 with the snd_via8233 >> driver) and an old Sound Blaster Live! Value card (with the >> snd_emu10k1 driver). > > Well he mentioned actually 2 different chip sets. I do not know if > they are the same driver, though. I'm using the snd_via8233 as well > and have terrible sound quality. Have you played back mp3 files on > that machine? Do they sound good completely through? Mine sounds > hurried at times. Like it is getting interrupts too soon. Disabling PREEMPTION certainly doesn't help interrupt latency. However, I doubt it's the only issue. It seems like our sound folks are a bit overworked at the moment. I submitted a patch (to the multimedia@ list) way back in February to add S/PDIF output to the es137x driver. Someone said they'd commit it, but apparently it got lost in the shuffle. I opened a PR for it (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/68594) a couple months ago. It's a pretty simple patch; I've been using it for 6 months now and have never had a problem with it. I do not intend to trivialize or marginalize the work the sound folks have done, but my point here is that it just seems like we have more work than they can handle right now. This is open source and people have other priorities that keep them from making contributions to the project. That is expected. 5.3 is going to be one of the most public releases in FreeBSD's history and, to the end user, sound is one of the most "visible" systems in FreeBSD. When people load up 5.3 and experience sound issues, it will translate to a negative opinion of FreeBSD as a whole. Sound is like Internet connectivity: it is taken for granted but all hell breaks loose when it malfunctions. We may need to make it a higher priority or we'll lose people that otherwise would have made valuable contributions. This is the part of the email where normally the author would ask for people to step up and keep FreeBSD on the cutting edge. As I don't have the skills to do the work, I don't feel it's my place to ask anyone else to do it either. What I will do it make a commitment to test patches and continue learning all I can. Perhaps some day I can be the person I'm looking for... Jon