From nobody Thu Feb 1 12:43:31 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-virtualization@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TQdrV2dFhz58Zdj for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:44:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ed1-x52c.google.com (mail-ed1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TQdrT6CWvz4RsC for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2024 12:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marietto2008@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ed1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-55cca88b6a5so1063115a12.1 for ; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:44:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1706791448; x=1707396248; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CmEJu5P9/GEsWjoc3jh/8HXMd1U6aZhuvCdv2fZZ0+g=; b=bI1PT7rXwFT3Eq9elmV4bU/qq+YV1B50u8RAJfmuv/zINu0TMs9nruMyHFvsJePv5m +F9Ovs8/M++8Z7w4GvjwzksA5tDSfbRlGOWb8kzSqNpvMgrxmNQnD4NV6jhhF6CmtC7x HJ8WXlTUO5HI5tk/G06kVuLYE51w5TohweoVutuP2sug6uuJ2AotORJ+HB2nB9qq1Qzo bmnPYuw/0tYgO/Ho2pkFUbMAFyr3sBSZe8dcYFr3UBIVB4dKpCZt8zac/deKSX2q2rvs rvA3jI2SERpNdEQeWKZPAMu4eQycRtLaaUykE30ijOB0bbbTzev51weLsAUbZQi63WCp yh9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1706791448; x=1707396248; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=CmEJu5P9/GEsWjoc3jh/8HXMd1U6aZhuvCdv2fZZ0+g=; b=wEoJ+d7W/6Wvi2CR32unRQQ8j3r+1/tBji+gvvLWyFeC9i9OLo/od4ESu6cdYDj90n ZxkRuUNG4Vvp/VjQUASCkYhYCVp+rcwdvoVUGLxFiMqOEgENlwwlyrETt56GP0WEJ8GV ph25Sz8ut+UTEXz72u+GhNpPOtz+/kT26E94urf8Mr6MUpqHIbX2Lie7dFiZygOs0W71 HglOq6P+p0ePK0wEie0lNYjNnbHY5eF50w5IPPxNO5oyJ4irVBrDBQ1QhOD028t74SZb VmCbQCPrpyT73RxsXBpA+53VIDBUEIlK4+ZpPQE6OkeXIvti0SjsCbXLWMYC9vfBpYIZ l4CQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyfMvUggVNYCt42fuM//GLv/CofhVNu8iwMqc3ex6oMX8Hs2mpg OEVu+fnDJzqVE6439Dls5bIQF7+y7zUKwEvh1fli7TS5oSqyTEatW9opLc3/zgCJfTM7aAsM4NS 6L5nLVxq7rlZT5FQgS0Lf7+3qvdt+QLAnXRE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEAeeVbRxR58Uw6cI/cbffZUu3ATT1M1+HGMG6AamXlohEz9uk4wwZ/CVnB0ZnOkbwltbS+5UADlUnmNhjkqyY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3450:b0:a30:3303:e079 with SMTP id d16-20020a170906345000b00a303303e079mr3105905ejb.63.1706791448285; Thu, 01 Feb 2024 04:44:08 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-virtualization List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mario Marietto Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 13:43:31 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: If we are so opposed to Docker and Kubernetes, what is the real alternative on BSD? To: Odhiambo Washington Cc: Alejandro Imass , FreeBSD virtualization Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb18a206105159d3" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TQdrT6CWvz4RsC X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000fb18a206105159d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports Kubernetes.... On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro Imass > wrote: > >> I made the title provocative for a flame but in good faith, so hear me >> out ;-) >> >> Being a FreeBSD user for many years I perfectly understand why supportin= g >> Docker is useless outside of virtualization or just for fun. I only put = it >> in the subject to get your attention. >> >> But can the same be said of Kubernetes? In the understanding that k8s >> relies on some Linux specific things like namespaces and control groups >> etc. but we have similar utilities that could be used, so not sure why n= o >> serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far... >> >> Moreover, why is there not a serious alternative to Kubernetes-like, or = a >> FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in 2024 ? I've read commen= ts >> about Nomad but does it actually work with Bastille for example ? I mean= we >> have all the building blocks, and we invented "container" so wtf is ther= e >> no similar orchestration and auto scaling jail technology at our disposa= l >> on FBSD so far ? >> >> What am I missing? >> > > You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run al= l > those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them. > For example, I am running https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map > inside an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the > proxy. > > PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fuel into your flame :-) > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. > "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF :-) > [How to ask smart questions: > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] > --=20 Mario. --000000000000fb18a206105159d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Would be cool to investigate if the Linuxulator supports K= ubernetes....

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 1:40=E2=80=AFPM Odhiambo Washingto= n <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrot= e:


On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 3:13=E2=80=AFPM Alejandro I= mass <aimass@ya= barana.com> wrote:
I made the title provocative for a flame but in= good faith, so hear me out ;-)

Being a FreeBSD user for= many years I perfectly understand why supporting Docker is useless outside= of virtualization=C2=A0or just for fun. I only put it in the subject to ge= t your attention.

But can the same be said of Kube= rnetes? In the understanding that k8s relies on some Linux specific things = like namespaces and control groups etc. but we have similar utilities that = could be used, so not sure why no serious effort to port k8s to BSD so far.= ..

Moreover, why is there not a serious alternativ= e to Kubernetes-like, or a FreeBSd native Kubernetes port, at this point in= 2024 ? I've read comments about Nomad but does it actually work with B= astille for example ? I mean we have all the building blocks, and we invent= ed "container" so wtf is there no similar orchestration and auto = scaling jail technology=C2=A0at our disposal on FBSD so far ?
What am I missing?

= You're missing the fact that you could virtualize a Linux host and run = all those Docker/k8s inside it and just proxy access to them.
For= example, I am running=C2=A0https://ushahidi.kictanet.or.ke/views/map insi= de an Ubuntu VM under bhyve. Apache on the FreeBSD host is doing the proxy.=

PS: I am lucky to be the 1st one to pour more fue= l into your flame :-)


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Best regards,
Odhiambo = WASHINGTON,
Nairobi,KE
+254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223
=C2=A0In=C2=A0an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS= .
"Oh, the cruft.",=C2=A0egrep -v '^$|^.*#'=C2=A0=C2=AF\_(= =E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF=C2=A0:-)<= /div>
[How to ask smart questions:=C2= =A0http://www.catb.org/~esr/f= aqs/smart-questions.html]


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