From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Feb 28 19:03:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28613 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28579 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06208; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:32:35 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA03678; Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:32:34 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980301133234.11473@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 13:32:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Sue Blake , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: newbies mailing list References: <19980301105650.47895@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980301105650.47895@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Sun, Mar 01, 1998 at 10:56:51AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 1 March 1998 at 10:56:51 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > > I am a newbie and that's not going to change for quite a while. For many > reasons I want to talk to other newbies in a newbie environment. I skimmed over this a while back, and I though "I wonder what Sue Blake will think of this". I suppose I've stopped wondering. > It's hard to explain my reasons and you'll probably find this hard to > understand, but I ask you for the moment just to accept that the need might > be felt to exist, at least for some people. Freebsd-questions is good and > useful, and so is the FAQ etc, but there's still something missing. I think you'll find that something will continue to be missing. I've thought about these problems, too, but I haven't come up with a useful solution. Life's a bitch. > I've never had a great deal of success with the mailing list search (I tend > to get the questions but not the answers), but found the topic of a mailing > list for newbies raised briefly last October, and some reference to previous > discussions which were not visible. Now *that* might be a problem that could be addressed. I find the mailing list search pretty useless, too. > I have a lot of ideas about what I'd like to see, but most great > ideas to date have turned out to be crap in the light of further > information. Could someone please summarise the argument against a > mailing list for newbies before I either press for one to be created > or do it myself. I think that I could summarize the arguments against with "the blind leading the blind". At least in -questions you have a couple of one-eyed men. You also have a number of people who can scare newbies off, sure, but that will happen even if there's a newbies list. At the moment, I have concerns about the overlap between -questions and -hackers (see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html). A newbies list would just compound the problem. On the other hand, I can't really see much advantage from a newbies list. Maybe you should present more arguments. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message