From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 7 13:03:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE29B16A402 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:03:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from mail.scls.lib.wi.us (mail.scls.lib.wi.us [198.150.40.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598D443D48 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:03:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Received: from [172.26.2.238] ([172.26.2.238]) by mail.scls.lib.wi.us (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k37D3VBL040919; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:03:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nalists@scls.lib.wi.us) Message-ID: <44366322.9050302@scls.lib.wi.us> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:03:30 -0500 From: Greg Barniskis User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Karagodov References: <20060405200341.GD14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405200727.GA28371@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060405201500.GE14126@math.jussieu.fr> <20060405211154.GA30089@soaustin.net> <44350FDF.1060206@gmx.de> <443570EE.6080703@seclark.us> <443574CD.2020405@gmx.de> <4435787E.70202@seclark.us> <44364047.3020207@optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Disappointed X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:03:32 -0000 Alexey Karagodov wrote: > ok! tell me, how can i help you to make "stable" - stable? > please. don't answer me - GIVE US MONEY! > i will not pay! (1) install -STABLE on a variety of hardware and put load on it (2) carefully note any issues, collecting as much detail as possible (3) search the archives and the documentation to find out if the issue is already addressed by configuration elements or procedures that you can tune or try yourself (4) if you didn't fix the problem at step 3, take a few deep breaths, open your mind, and post a properly detailed question to the proper list. Ideally, do this without injecting lots of attitude or disappointment, since those will not help get the problem fixed and may in fact result in not getting help . Generally no one is expected to pay cash, but since we don't pay cash we should at least pay respect. (5) apply suggested patches, perform suggested tests, add requested details, then return to step number (2) as needed. (6) Repeat from step (1) as frequently as you have time to give. If you don't have the time or patience for all this work, choose: (a) pay someone to have the time and patience for you (b) stick to running -RELEASE Sorry, I know you said not to say "pay", but note that this is suggested in the context of you making a choice, it is not a demand you must submit to. -- Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator South Central Library System (SCLS) Library Interchange Network (LINK) , (608) 266-6348