From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 16:09:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2658106566B; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:09:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8397B8FC18; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so7885586dak.17 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of yanegomi@gmail.com designates 10.68.132.1 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.132.1; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of yanegomi@gmail.com designates 10.68.132.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=yanegomi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=yanegomi@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.68.132.1]) by 10.68.132.1 with SMTP id oq1mr21852733pbb.137.1330790936098 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 08:08:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5KN00C8t2j2UAeJJA9m3+xYPMQnDT+zvzilNjJoabNo=; b=aU4wRWZXAMF9bOUDkIANmo5vZ2IICabQbGnTBm4VC4utu2GXA5ovooHct96pgwD0QJ oAgjM8uw8BzarSltaOkqeTnL984O1gSIHxVLpj62NyvZOR3e5YwbBWIeNDmhCUzIzemW RQFm1fP8afvvVFEpdNwTWp6F4GBfudwjZFDXGAD4jPFpTHGsoGTQvoQPHXO/eyPKmYGu qIxBgtjecAfsXin6t2Yk4RHOo6zOOXXGgZbrVaZZFIJexTWzMPjRmSxa0iQrBnmbNhTO R5sljOyg//8ILnYRAYb4FBCM1AwbVDa4VNfsgbKW9I2D8cL8bvvhfnVLz5i3zuh8snBM T0aQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.132.1 with SMTP id oq1mr18344076pbb.137.1330789079192; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 07:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.106 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 07:37:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F51BEE0.7090108@freebsd.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BEE0.7090108@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 07:37:58 -0800 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Julian Elischer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Doug Barton , FreeBSD Stable , "K. Macy" , =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= , FreeBSD Current , Arnaud Lacombe , Alexander Leidinger , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:09:03 -0000 2012/3/2 Julian Elischer : > On 3/2/12 10:21 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> >> On 03/02/2012 03:44, K. Macy wrote: > > not sure who wrote: >>> >>> Correct. However, I'm not sure the analogy is flawed. I am, to some >>> degree, guilty of the same sin. I now run Ubuntu and have never had a >>> single problem keeping my package system up date, in stark contrast to >>> my experiences of slow and nightmarishly error-ridden port updates. > > but I use the PBIs from pcbsd.. =A0you REALLY don't have this problem wit= h > them. (Thanks Kip for the heads up on the thread) It's well known that software has bugs; unfortunately PCBSD (I mention this because of PBIs noted above) isn't immune from bugs either -- they're just manifested in a different way. I think everyone here on the CC list has FreeBSD's best intentions in mind, but let's work together to improve the OS instead of causing discord with one another. Personally, I think that adding knobs with sane defaults (and we can debate about that and there will be disagreement on what is important and what is not) will go a long way because then people can pick and choose what they want to keep and what they want to toss as far as OS support is concerned. This is one of the strong selling points of Linux, OSX, Solaris, Windows, etc. Less effort is required to get greater profit without having to mess around with things because they fit the generic case as opposed to a number of niche cases or provide OS features that a user may or may not use. Thanks, -Garrett