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Date:      Sat, 21 Oct 2017 18:55:34 -0400
From:      Allan Jude <allanjude@freebsd.org>
To:        Steven Hartland <steven.hartland@multiplay.co.uk>, Steve Wills <swills@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, svn-src-head@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r318751 - in head/sys: kern sys
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From: Allan Jude <allanjude@freebsd.org>
To: Steven Hartland <steven.hartland@multiplay.co.uk>,
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Subject: Re: svn commit: r318751 - in head/sys: kern sys
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On 2017-10-21 18:45, Steven Hartland wrote:
> Personally I hate that idea as like being able to see all the processes=

> from the host.
>=20
> I have a similar hate of Linux containers where you have to jump though=

> hoops just to see whats really happening on the host.
>=20
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 at 20:29, Allan Jude <allanjude@freebsd.org
> <mailto:allanjude@freebsd.org>> wrote:
>=20
>     On 2017-05-23 12:59, Steve Wills wrote:
>     > Author: swills (ports committer)
>     > Date: Tue May 23 16:59:24 2017
>     > New Revision: 318751
>     > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/318751
>     >
>     > Log:
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add security.bsd.see_jail_proc
>     >
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add security.bsd.see_jail_proc sysctl to hide jail pr=
ocesses
>     from non-root
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0users
>     >
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Reviewed by:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 jamie
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Approved by:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 allanjude
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Relnotes:=C2=A0 =C2=A0yes
>     >=C2=A0 =C2=A0Differential Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://re=
views.freebsd.org/D10770
>     >
>     I user was asking about this issue on IRC today.
>=20
>     I think I have changed my mind a bit.
>=20
>     I think we should make the default be off (so you can't see process=
es in
>     a jail from the host) by default in 12.
>=20
>     And that we should MFC this sysctl to stable/11, but not change the=

>     default behaviour there.
>=20
>     Anyone else have thoughts?
>=20
>     --
>     Allan Jude
>=20

Note: this does NOT change root's ability to see the processes in the jai=
l.

I just stops uid 1001 on the host, from using the processes owned by uid
1001 in each jail, even in the presence of: security.bsd.see_other_uids=3D=
0


--=20
Allan Jude


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