From owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 21 19:56:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4555A16A400 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336E813C45D for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8921A4D84; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5CE9D51417; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:56:34 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Peter Schuller Message-ID: <20070521195634.GA80608@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <475187.33232.qm@web63006.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <4651F897.9010201@infidyne.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4651F897.9010201@infidyne.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org, Gore Jarold Subject: Re: VERY frustrated with FreeBSD/UFS stability - please help or comment... X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:35 -0000 On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:52:55PM +0200, Peter Schuller wrote: > > Specifically, I have private departmental fileservers > > that other fileservers rsync to using Mike Rubel-style > > rsync snapshots: > > FWIW, since you wondered about being alone in the world, I tend to do > similar things but with rdiff-backup, with total file count ranging from > a few hundred thousand to a few million. But I also routinely do stuff > like rsyncing entire chroots with multiple ports/pkgsrc trees and > whatnot. I mostly haven't experienced the problems you describe. (Always > with UFS2 and softupdates, if you discount recent stuff with ZFS.) > > The one thing I *have* experienced is filesystems going nuts after > filling them. Specifically I end up with a negative amount of space > free, and as soon as you release more space df -h quickly reports the > amount of free space dropping (you can see it interactively churning for > a few secs) until it settles at some negative amount again and you're > back to square one. This has happened once or twice in the past, but not > recently. Not sure which release it did happen on; might have been 5.x. Yeah, this was an old bug in the 5.x timeframe. As far as I recall it was fixed at some point in the past. > It's worth noting that the one thing I don't do is creating multiple > links to the same file with any frequency, as happens with the rsync > incremental backup approach. I do a lot of hard linking on my system and have not encountered issues. Kris