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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1ddff08038e591bcff9614baf115008d; Wed, 09 Nov 2022 22:42:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.200.110.1.12\)) Subject: RE: Dropping firewire support from boot loader Message-Id: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:42:19 -0800 To: Warner Losh , freebsd-arch , FreeBSD PowerPC ML X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.200.110.1.12) References: X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.83:from]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4N70ND4GS9z3Cyx X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Warner Losh wrote on Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 20:01:41 UTC : > I'd like to drop firewire support from the boot loader. It's not been used > in quite some time, as far as I can tell. Nor have I (or anybody else) > tested it in forever. > > Is anybody still using it? Does anybody know if it works? Any objections to > removing it from FreeBSD 14? I would suggest that old PowerMac's might be the most likely usage context. I no longer have a PowerPC context of any kind. I mostly booted from SATA SSD's back when I had access to working PowerMacs. I've not been able to remember if I'd tried FireWire based booting of FreeBSD or what the status was if/when I did. I did use the cross machine FireWire means of looking into boot crashes, as it could report some console output even after the display quit updating for some problems I had. (I never had a serial console context on any of the old PowerMacs.) I do not remember much detail about this use. I'm not sure if I can submit to freebsd-ppc any more but I'll try for this reply. If it does not show up, you may need to send your own message there if you want a message about the issue there. === Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com