From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 26 3:52: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hades.riverstyx.net [216.94.42.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CED014DD3 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:52:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24085; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:48:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: dyson@iquest.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903261129.GAA08569@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, John S. Dyson wrote: > > Don't be intentionally ignorant. As I stated above, there are patches. > > Logically, one might take that to mean that Linux developers can indeed > > figure out how to do it. Fanaticism is soooo irritating. > > > Well, why isn't it in the distribution? Why has it taken soooo long? The > key is that I listened to the user base, and did some seriously grungy > programming. There was little elitism, but simply to do what was needed. > > Of course, they know how to do it :-), and of course the user base has > wanted it (look at the mailing lists/netnews over the last several > years.) The humor is in the attitude that has kept the right thing > from happening. > > Fanaticism with regards to using an OS whose developers won't do what > is needed is also irritating. Maybe they are now coming aware with real > applications being used now. FreeBSD users exposed the issue almost > right away, and therefore the problem had to be fixed. There was no > choice, and no arrogance. > > FreeBSD (in general) should be proud about the consideration that the > developers had given to the user base. From that viewpoint, it is not > bad that the developers should feel happy about the long term decisions > made, and FreeBSD development being mired in short term expediency. In > fact, the FreeBSD solution has been being discussed on the Linux mailing > lists, and wonder if they looked at what we did? It is much easier to > copy a design, than to actually think... > > It seems that fanaticism is where an inferior decision is being made, > whilst a correct solution already exists :-). A little verbal sparring > is nowhere near the insanity of wasting effort with reimplementation. Do I look like Linus? Well, lack of photo notwithstanding, I don't, but that's beside the point. The large file patch has been available for quite some time now, but it happens to be in beta -- I'm assuming that nobody's found a significant need for it, or if they have they haven't given any feedback. Since nobody's really talking about it, it's not really a priority, is it? AFAIK, most of the kernel development in Linux has been in the networking area because that's where all the interesting development is right now. Regardless, a working solution does exist for Linux, and has existed for a while. Why it's not in the distribution is a question for the source tree maintainers, so I'm not going to argue that further. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message