From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 19:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CECD37B401 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACF143FBD for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (ugly.x.kientzle.com [66.166.149.51]) by kientzle.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h313XRv46116; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3E8908B1.1080100@acm.org> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:34:09 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.6) Gecko/20011206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan K Hubbard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD tar (was Re: Making pkg_XXX tools smarter about file types...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 03:33:42 -0000 Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > Given ample personal experience with this issue, all I can say is that > actions speak a lot louder than words where it's concerned. :-) > > On Sunday, March 30, 2003, at 11:47 AM, Tim Kientzle wrote: >> I've given up trying to argue for a >> well-designed package file format. >> tar works well enough, I suppose. >> (Better than the oft-suggested >> 'zip' format. Ugh.) Yes, people have pointed out to me before that email does not convey irony at all well. I should be more careful about that. As it turns out, Jordan, the major reason I've given up trying to argue for a new format is that I now believe that 'tar' is actually a pretty reasonable choice. (I think that the performance issues that people have complained about can be addressed by improving the pkg_* tool implementations without changing the file format. I've started working on that... ;-) Tim