From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 22 00:29:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA23745 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.crl.com (mail.crl.com [165.113.1.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA23740 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA10103 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:28:32 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11692; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:25:49 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608220725.AAA11692@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SCSI again: Asus SC200 vs. Adaptec 2940 To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1050.840661792@critter.tfs.com> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "Aug 21, 96 11:09:52 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Trimmed cc: back to freebsd-hardware] > >>Stefan: > >> This makes me wonder (again), whether I really should spend $1000 > >> on the necessary hardware, and time worth some $10000 or more (if I > >> spent it on paid work) just to allow other people to use the latest > >> 53c8xx variants (Ultra-WIDE), who then complain about a NCR driver > >> bug, whenever some VM system tuning introduces temporal instability :) > > > >Rod: > >Don't make me laugh... I've probably invested well into the 6 digits > >of time and money into FreeBSD in one way or another. I am sure David, > >John, Jordan, Poul, Julian, and a fist full of others are in the same > >situation. > > I'd like to jump in here. > > I know Rod and I know Stefan too. > > You guys are like made to misunderstand each other! Upon reflection of history I can agree with that statement. > We all know that the relationship between the resources a person > can muster for FreeBSD in terms of HW and $$$ has nothing to do > with the value of that contributor to the project. > > Several people have proved that point many times over, Stefan is > one of them. Agreed. > $1000 may not sound like much to Rod, but to a lot of people that > would be all of one years budget for computer-hw, in many cases > probably even more than that. $1,000 is a $1,000 to me or anyone else, but your probably right in that I don't look at that as a whole lot of hardware. > I really wish we could get some people to donate money, so that > we could help productive but HW-challenged people like Stefan. AAC would be willing to help in this area, if, and this is a big if, it had tax advantages for it to do so. Ie, a 501(c)3 FreeBSD Project, Inc. could expect to receive some place between $1,000 and $5,000/year in cash from AAC, along with the heaviest discouting I can do on hardware purchases (cost + shipping + overhead of a few percent). If you have doubts about that the 2H/1995, 1H/1996 dicounts taken by FreeBSD core team members is in excess of $1,000, which is the best way I currently have of ``donating'' money to the project without it adversely affecting my bottom line Profit & Loss statements. > The confusing thing here is the smiley after Stefans complaint. > If I read it right, its that feeling of "the world is an unjust > place, but heck, it's still better than the alternative". I'm still tring to figure the smiley out :-(. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD