From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 02:28:10 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4B1106566C; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from VA3EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (outbound-va3.frontbridge.com [216.32.180.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFAC8FC19; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from mail28-va3-R.bigfish.com (10.7.14.248) by VA3EHSOBE001.bigfish.com (10.7.40.21) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.291.1; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:13:05 +0000 Received: from mail28-va3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail28-va3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FEBF40063; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:13:06 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: VS-10(z34a4jz1432R98dR1805M1442J936fOzzzzz2dh6bh87il43j62h) X-Spam-TCS-SCL: 1:0 X-FB-SS: 5, X-FB-DOMAIN-IP-MATCH: fail Received: by mail28-va3 (MessageSwitch) id 1231726384407403_24395; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:13:04 +0000 (UCT) Received: from lpozpwexc02.lpint.net (unknown [203.166.32.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail28-va3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC40D0055; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from klein.bigpond.com (10.61.24.85) by lpozpwexc02.lpint.net (10.61.38.9) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:13:01 +1100 Received: from klein.bigpond.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.3/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n0C2DE04001728; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:13:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (petros@localhost) by klein.bigpond.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) with ESMTP id n0C2DBE1001725; Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:13:13 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Peter.Ross@alumni.tu-berlin.de) X-Authentication-Warning: klein.au.lpint.net: petros owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:13:11 +1100 From: Peter Ross X-X-Sender: petros@klein.bigpond.com To: Tim Kientzle In-Reply-To: <496A98B3.1010301@freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <61484.71762.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090111044448.GC5661@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <342292.89033.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <496A98B3.1010301@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Cc: Peter Jeremy , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternatives to gcc (was Re: gcc 4.3: when will it become standard compiler?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:10 -0000 Hi Tim, AFAIK you _need_ a C compiler to keep your system secure, to apply security patches. E.g. http://security.freebsd.org/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-09:02.openssl.asc .. make obj && make depend && make && make install .. Of course there are build-boxes etc. so you only need a compiler once. But still, you need a box to compile it. Regards Peter On Sun, 11 Jan 2009, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > > ... the FreeBSD base system should come complete with the > > > necessary tools to build/install itself. > > > > OK, I quite agree it's not the same as perl: C is not something we cannot > > depend on. > > You can easily install FreeBSD without a C compiler > or other build tools. > > There's very little reason to do so in a typical > desktop/server installation, which is why this > capability is used almost exclusively by people > building embedded systems or special-use > CD-bootable systems. But even in those > environments, this concern is fading: > multi-gigabyte flash parts and bootable DVDs > and USB keys are becoming pretty common. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >