Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:10:03 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net>, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: You can take my source. (fwd) Message-ID: <19990420161003.Y40482@lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990420015239.11384G-100000@cygnus.rush.net>; from Alfred Perlstein on Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 01:53:17AM -0500 References: <Pine.BSF.3.96.990420015239.11384G-100000@cygnus.rush.net>
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On Tuesday, 20 April 1999 at 1:53:17 -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * (c) UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. > * All or some portions of this file are derived from material licensed > * to the University of California by American Telephone and Telegraph > * Co. or Unix System Laboratories, Inc. and are reproduced herein with > * the permission of UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. > > Am i doing my part? :) I'm not sure. I would think you could have chosen a better example. If you have really sent this to Microsoft, I think you should at least retract your statement. Greg > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 01:52:08 -0500 (EST) > From: Alfred Perlstein <bright@rush.net> > To: flux@microsoft.com > Subject: You can take my source. > > > In re: http://www.microsoft.com/mind/0599/flux/flux0599.htm > > I think you need to take into account that not all "free software" > is copylefted or 'GPL' > > You conviently neglect to mention (as most people do) the BSD license. > > The BSD license allows for closed source swallowing of the code > it protects, however makes two stipulations: > > a) credit is given somehow (redistributed source must retain the > copyright) > b) you can't hold the author liable for the program's behavior, > (similar to what EVERY piece of commercial software out there > makes you sign an agreement on) > > here is a sample of the BSD "open source" license: > > /* > * Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > * The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > * (c) UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. > * All or some portions of this file are derived from material licensed > * to the University of California by American Telephone and Telegraph > * Co. or Unix System Laboratories, Inc. and are reproduced herein with > * the permission of UNIX System Laboratories, Inc. > * > * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions > * are met: > * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the > * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. > * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software > * must display the following acknowledgement: > * This product includes software developed by the University of > * California, Berkeley and its contributors. > * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors > * may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software > * without specific prior written permission. > * > * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND > * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE > * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE > * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE > * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL > * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS > * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) > * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT > * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY > * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > * SUCH DAMAGE. > * > * @(#)kern_exit.c 8.7 (Berkeley) 2/12/94 > * $Id: kern_exit.c,v 1.78 1999/04/17 08:36:04 peter Exp $ > */ > > Several high performance appliances are based on BSD code with BSD > licensing, (NetAPP, Whistle's "Interjet", cisco, BSDI's bsd/os) > > By lumping all free software into one catagory you do the BSD community > a big disservice, please do more research next time. > > You can start at http://www.freebsd.org, http://www.netbsd.org, > http://www.openbsd.org > > I also have to say that your prediction that open source will doom the > software industry is absurd. Just think about how much more in R&D > (the most expensive part of making software) is spent because companies > are afraid to share code amongst themselves? > > I have nothing against propriatary software when it works and has all > the features I need, but when something trully needs fixing it's > a godsend to have source availble. > > Wouldn't it be nice to get emails with patches to fix bugs in Windows > rather than call after call, after call for support? > > Oh, wait... I just remeber, you guys are now 100% pay per incident.... > > *sigh* > > -Alfred Perlstein > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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