From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Jul 30 17:24:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAB237B400 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ish7.ericsson.com.au (ish7.ericsson.com.au [203.61.155.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD0243E31 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig.williamson@ericsson.co.nz) Received: from brsf10.epa.ericsson.se (brsf10 [146.11.8.4]) by ish7.ericsson.com.au (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6V0MWY17800; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:22:34 +1000 (EST) Received: from eaubrnt019.epa.ericsson.se (eaubrnt019.epa.ericsson.se [146.11.9.165]) by brsf10.epa.ericsson.se (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6V0OKM16822; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:24:20 +1000 (EST) Received: by eaubrnt019.epa.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:24:18 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Craig Williamson (ENZ)" To: "'Diablo Rojo'" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: i read a list of ATA ... Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:24:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C23828.9BF4BC70" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23828.9BF4BC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Again, The reason why Microsoft software has better support for your hardware is because they have a lot more support from the hardware manufacturers. You have to realise that MS may dictate what the ATA133 would look like and they right their kernel because of that. Alternatively, Intel could send MS the specs for the 845G so that MS has the support for it when the chipset is released. It is no fault of the developers that certain aspects of newer hardware won't work correctly. They just have to figure out how the chipset works and program the kernel accordingly. A good test of this would be to load Windows95 (or even MS-DOS) onto it and see if the hardware gets picked up from that. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro] Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 11:08 a.m. To: Craig Williamson (ENZ) Subject: Re: i read a list of ATA ... Well i were thinking that but weren't sure, i used redhat default 2.4.18-3 kernel and didn't worked. Tnx for forwarding this email, also i still seen before the return of your email many reports the same problem it gives me at www.google.com/linux at search for 845G like hdparm -d1 /dev/hda ; dma enable failed assuming idebus 33 mhz, things like this.Well if you find that in bsd 4.6.1 the problem is fixed pls email me, to know if i can use it. tnx. Also i searched on many distro pages to see if they have somehow suport suport for this chipset and didn't found any result... thought they modyfied the kernel a little bit like RH adding a little more suport than the original 2.4.18 kenrel . but i still wonder why ?! windows XP one year old didn't made any problems!? do he haves a better written kernel. Goodbye, Diablo Rojo[eXistenZ] ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Williamson (ENZ) To: 'Diablo Rojo' Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:51 AM Subject: RE: i read a list of ATA ... Hello Diablo First of all, its best if you sent it to the entire mailing list, not just one person. That way you can get more input for your problem. I've forwarded it so you can get more responses. Redhat 7.3 uses the Linux 2.4.18 kernel by default. With RedHat did you compile a new kernel or use the default one? The same applies for FreeBSD. Did you use the default kernel or did you compile your own. If you have tried these, the hardware maybe too new for the OSes. Then I would suggest waiting until the next FreeBSD (4.7/5.0?) comes out and try that (same with Linux) Hope that this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro] Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 10:35 a.m. To: Craig Williamson (ENZ) Subject: i read a list of ATA ... will bsd know my chipset and WDC 120 GB hard-disk and work at full speed not at 16 mb\s at was written on a document for unknown chipsets , my chipset is 845G and motherboard is http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/ will bsd know this hardware and will work at least well, because a linux distro didn't knewed it [rh73 ] which is a few month old and had 2mb\s transfer ------_=_NextPart_001_01C23828.9BF4BC70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Hi Again,
 
            The reason why Microsoft software has better support for your hardware is because they have a lot more support from the hardware manufacturers.  You have to realise that MS may dictate what the ATA133 would look like and they right their kernel because of that.  Alternatively, Intel could send MS the specs for the 845G so that MS has the support for it when the chipset is released.
 
            It is no fault of the developers that certain aspects of newer hardware won't work correctly.  They just have to figure out how the chipset works and program the kernel accordingly.
 
            A good test of this would be to load Windows95 (or even MS-DOS) onto it and see if the hardware gets picked up from that.  Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 11:08 a.m.
To: Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Subject: Re: i read a list of ATA ...

Well i were thinking that but weren't sure, i used redhat default 2.4.18-3 kernel and didn't worked.
Tnx for forwarding this email, also i still seen before the return of your email many reports the same problem it gives me at www.google.com/linux at search for 845G like hdparm -d1 /dev/hda ; dma enable failed assuming idebus 33 mhz, things like this.Well if you find that in bsd 4.6.1 the problem is fixed pls email me, to know if i can use it. tnx. Also i searched on many distro pages to see if they have somehow suport suport for this chipset and didn't found any result...  thought they modyfied the kernel a little bit like RH adding a little more suport than the original 2.4.18 kenrel . but i still wonder why ?! windows XP one year old didn't made any problems!? do he haves a better written kernel.
 
        Goodbye,
            Diablo Rojo[eXistenZ]
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:51 AM
Subject: RE: i read a list of ATA ...

Hello Diablo
 
First of all, its best if you sent it to the entire mailing list, not just one person.  That way you can get more input for your problem.  I've forwarded it so you can get more responses.
 
Redhat 7.3 uses the Linux 2.4.18 kernel by default.  With RedHat did you compile a new kernel or use the default one?  The same applies for FreeBSD.  Did you use the default kernel or did you compile your own.  If you have tried these, the hardware maybe too new for the OSes.  Then I would suggest waiting until the next FreeBSD (4.7/5.0?) comes out and try that (same with Linux)
 
Hope that this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diablo Rojo [mailto:diablo_rojo@rol.ro]
Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2002 10:35 a.m.
To: Craig Williamson (ENZ)
Subject: i read a list of ATA ...

will bsd know my chipset and WDC 120 GB hard-disk and work at full speed not at 16 mb\s at was written on a document for unknown chipsets , my chipset is 845G and motherboard is http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bv/
    will bsd know this hardware and will work at least well, because a linux distro didn't knewed it [rh73 ] which is a few month old and had 2mb\s transfer
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