From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Dec 11 12:59:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-201-166.mmcable.com [65.31.201.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADE6637B416 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 28530 invoked by uid 100); 11 Dec 2001 20:59:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15382.29599.349155.309028@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:59:11 -0600 To: Nils Holland Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: EzBSD aint for me! Was: A breath of fresh air.. In-Reply-To: <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> <20011211144049.A14693@acidpit.org> <20011211214943.A4489@tisys.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA v0.42/Python 2.1.1 (freebsd4) From: "Mike Meyer" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nils Holland types: > The morale of this story: As I said in the beginning, defining something as > "easy to use" is entirely relative. Furthermore, I doubt that today's > "Plug-And-Play" anticipation is worth much: There is software you don't > have to learn, thus you save a few hours of learning it. But what if > something that requires learning costs you 5 hours to learn, and then saves > you 30 minutes a day? In the long run, this will probably be the better > thing. Stuff with pretty pictures that can be used by illiterates right out of the box used to be called "user friendly". A friend of mine called what you've described as "expert friendly". Systems which are "user friendly" without being flexible - like Windows - are "expert hostile". Systems which are neither user nor expert friendly, aka MVS, are "user hostile". I have nothing against making FreeBSD easier to use or more "user-friendly". Just so long as changes that make it friendlier don't make it less stable, less reliable, less secure, or less flexible. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message