From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 28 06:30:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C6C1065672 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC2D8FC17 for ; Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk35 with SMTP id 35so940317qyk.13 for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=0SLisZ+vCI/wukDtNytJBZDqkduN2OL4HjtnmOcTGQs=; b=ZY8NzNYx935mh9OrQcQu2EbsH2TfxvXgwLPG8B8qC8Hth3iFigVG5l8nh7bu/fYVjk g5U6wGDGBWuEZoc6ezHHnhpINhOIsS+nV/0WicS2z4KekQfnoN5CVReP8ZTkLbgXZlWm 1cIPcpQ1OShMWHWdvVPt7DWgLh0rPZj5qTvLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=l6HKcuKJiE5eJFHN/d9DC122VPxqPlxJqogSEgYjTaZefYJPa99PdKT51JyQzsAoqF Da2Nvii2MzkO2NfdA1673p4M9/ccZ2m3xvo6cypcu/wrZus1PJkLMjwIBSRPEA5IBKDz wECnleBtOqwHR1KF+oD2RSvPvoLwVYvRoqw+4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr2693223qan.17.1301292001028; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.67.21 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:00:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <16FA7C02-86B0-46E6-A923-BC61357478FA@vicor.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 02:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Devin Teske Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Super Bisquit , Devin Teske , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: New Boot-Loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 06:30:12 -0000 On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Super Bisquit wrote: > > > And what if I need to boot into single user mode? > > I'll forgive the top-post, and I'll even forgive that you missed the below > "NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option." > > Here it is with single-user mode option: twitpic.com/4e6gu1 > -- > Devin > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Devin Teske wrote: > > Hi fellow hackers, > > > > I'm designing an open-sourced replacement boot-loader for FreeBSD. I feel > that the existing options in the boot-loader menu today can be whittled down > significantly with a stateful menu system rather than a single-action item > menu system. > > > > In designing the new menu, I'd like to get your opinions. From old: > > > > FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE: twitpic.com/4e485w > > > > to new: > > > > Replacement Boot-Loader: twitpic.com/4e46ol > > > > NOTE: The final release will have a single-user mode option. > > > > The new menu allows for more flexibility as selecting options 2 ("Boot > Verbose") or 3 ("ACPI Support") independently toggles the status, updates > the menu item, and redisplays the menu -- ever-waiting until the user > ultimately presses ENTER, "1", or escapes to the prompt and types "boot". > Thus, one could potentially launch single-user mode with verbosity on and > ACPI disabled (if one so desired). > > > ... New menu is really good . One feature ( which is important for response ability ) is to increase down counter starting from at least 255 as default . This will not change anything toward bad because a few seconds later a prompt will appear and the computer will start to wait user response for logging . If the user will use an automatic login , it is obvious that he/she is knowing how to modify that counter to satisfy his/her needs . Instead of considering exceptions , please consider generally less experienced to modify that counter and/or having obstacles to respond immediately . Personally mostly I am becoming able to boot such menus after a few hard resets of power of the computer . My personal attitude toward this counter is a strong hate . After every operating system install , the first task I am doing is to disable that counter completely or increase it to at least 1000 . Default boot mode is not always the best and please assume that every one will not be able to respond immediately due to so many possibilities of reasons to cause a late response . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk