From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 9 20:09:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683916A4CE; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tigra.ip.net.ua (tigra.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10C343D2F; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:09:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by tigra.ip.net.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i99K9DsB089871; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:09:13 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: from tigra.ip.net.ua ([82.193.96.10]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 94262-18; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:09:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from heffalump.ip.net.ua (heffalump.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.213]) by tigra.ip.net.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i99K9CKm089868; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:09:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by heffalump.ip.net.ua (8.13.1/8.13.1) id i99K90r3027618; Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:09:00 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:09:00 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Makoto Matsushita Message-ID: <20041009200900.GA99102@ip.net.ua> References: <20041010011818G.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <20041009182245.GB1737@FreeBSD.org> <20041010034658O.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041010034658O.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: eivind@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What we keep under /etc X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:09:16 -0000 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Oct 10, 2004 at 03:46:58AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote: >=20 > For my understandings, that's why mergemaster(8) (or "check and help > updating /etc files" tool) is there. If mergemaster(8) behaves badly, > we can fix it -- not changing what "make installworld" does. >=20 > eivind> I think this is a good solution because this is not a merging > eivind> problem, it is a mergemaster problem. >=20 I'm with you guys. > > Since mergemaster(8) is considered as a mandatory tool for admin (I > > hope nobody objects), >=20 > eivind> I object. >=20 > Ouch:) Yes I know that some users doesn't update /etc if installworld > as you mentioned. However, according to src/UPDATING, mergemaster(8) > is listed in source-code upgrade procedure -- and many users knows > what mergemaster(8) is. Many guys mentioned to use mergemaster(8) on > current@/stable@ list. No matter what you dislike or not, it seems > that it's mandatory one.... >=20 It's definitely not a mandatory tool. I don't use neither mergemaster(8) nor etcmerge(8), but what I do is precisely what etcmerge(8) does (after I looked into it). It seems to do it all right (in my definition of correctness), so I will likely give it a go. > In anyway, >=20 > eivind> The majority do (in order of frequence, high to low) manual > eivind> updates or don't update /etc unless they have to or use > eivind> etcmerge or write their own scripts. >=20 > you also think that it would be better updating /etc files by some > other tools (well, I'll try using etcmerge later, thank you), not by > "make installworld", right? >=20 Yes, count me in. Updating /etc during installworld is a strict "no no", for a lot of reasons. Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBaEVbqRfpzJluFF4RArMvAJ9C3Y4hP8JQew/tuR8KqlDbrmtVuACeKmOk /PpMAtH3LHIL31/AlfI0rvo= =ZsoB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr--