Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:46:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Harti Brandt <hartmut.brandt@dlr.de> To: Bruce M Simpson <bms@spc.org> Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: De-orbitting ATM-HARP Message-ID: <20050418094356.O1882@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> In-Reply-To: <20050416211000.GF784@empiric.icir.org> References: <20050415173711.I658@beagle.kn.op.dlr.de> <20050416150810.GD5452@empiric.icir.org> <86ll7i30mc.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050416211000.GF784@empiric.icir.org>
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005, Bruce M Simpson wrote: BMS>On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 10:52:43PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: BMS>> Uh? PPP uses netgraph, which has its own socket thingy. BMS> BMS>Postscript. It struck my mind that you were possibly thinking of the BMS>netgraph-based, kernel-space implementation of PPP, in particular BMS>the ng_pppoe node. BMS> BMS>This only knows about the PPP-over-Ethernet encapsulation. If someone BMS>were to write the necessary node to support the PPP-over-ATM encapsulation, BMS>then yes, we probably could make NATM go away, but then Netgraph would be BMS>the only means of working with ATM virtual circuits under FreeBSD, which BMS>has debatable merits. Which? BMS>HARP may be old and crufty, NATM is but a small part of it, but it would be BMS>the last piece of ATM code which we have in common with the other BSDs. In BMS>terms of code quality and design, I've found it far nicer to work with than BMS>the equivalent Linux offering. Besides, I think being able to have native BMS>ADSL connectivity on a *BSD machine is a good thing. NATM is NOT part of HARP. We can safely remove HARP without touching NATM. But someone needs to sit down and fix NATM to be MPSAFE. harti BMS>Deprecating NATM for the 6.0 lifetime would affect several users, developers BMS>and committers who are working towards this. I'd be more than happy to see BMS>ng_pppoa go in for 6.0, though. BMS> BMS>[That would be an excellent idea - being able to run MPD on top of ATM would BMS>let us do native xDSL channel bonding on FreeBSD.] BMS> BMS>Just my 2c (about to change back to pence), BMS>BMS BMS> BMS> BMS>
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