From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 25 08:24:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00F137B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C9543FCB for ; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) h5PFOibr010927; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5PFOiD3010926; Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:24:43 -0400 From: Ken Smith To: Ken Smith , Daniel Lang , freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030625152443.GA9860@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20030624173337.GD11784@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <7m7k7b564w.wl@black.imgsrc.co.jp> <20030625011941.GB26111@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625061059.GB3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625071704.GB1478@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625081018.GC3446@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> <20030625140931.GA8427@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> <20030625142848.GM39194@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030625142848.GM39194@isnic.is> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: DRAFT - DNS Admin Guide X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:24:46 -0000 [ Global comment that applies to all my email about this stuff... I'm not necessarily *arguing* or saying I'm right and you're wrong or that I am even necessarily an authoritative source. I'm just offering what I think the counter-point (alternative?) point of view is so decisions can be made based on what all the alternatives are. ] On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 02:28:48PM +0000, Olafur Osvaldsson wrote: > Here other CC mirror admins can step in, I wouldn't mind hosting the DNS > for other countries alongside is.freebsd.org if there is noone capable > of it in that country. This is what winds up leading to the confusion on the part of the end-users. For example a new mirror site wants to come online. They say so here on hubs@. 1) Who decides if we need another mirror in their region? 2) Who decides which ftp-master.*.freebsd.org site they feed from? 3) Who grants them that access? 4) Once all of those are done how do they now become ftpXX..freebsd.org? It would be nice if one person could guide them the entire way through that. But in a scheme where everything is distributed at the country code level now you are either requiring the DNS admins to be doing those functions listed above for all three services (www,cvsup,ftp) or there is someone else(s) handling (1) through (3). Your suggesion makes the interactions amongst all those different parties a non-deterministic and potentially moving target. Worse, someone notices ftp345.foo.freebsd.org stopped carrying FreeBSD. Who do they complain to? The DNS folks? The DNS folks could then complain to the *site* which might or might not result in a reply. Assuming they really aren't interested in carrying FreeBSD any more how do the DNS folks respond to that? Remove ftp345 without telling anyone else? Probably not good - maybe the regional coordinator could have had a replacement. Is there a regional coordinator for ftp? If you are hosting multiple country codes do you know all of the regional coordinators? Sorry, I know this is an unpopular suggestion but again if we're back to there being one person or a small group of people who are coordinating (not *managing*, *coordinating*) the mirror system this scenario is simple, if ftp345.foo.freebsd.org disappears report it to the coordinator and it's up to them to advise what to do. This person would know if it's best to remove the name, shift it to a different existing site temporarily, replace it with someone else who recently offered to become a site, or bump the problem to the person they know (because they're intimately working with the mirror system...) is the person who is overseeing that region (and here region could mean anything - "all of Europe" for example). > Are you suggesting moving all the CC zones into the FreeBSD.org zone? > I hope not as I beleive the load on dnsadm@ would be much higher if that > path is chosen. That's the suggestion but I can't seem to get an answer from anyone about how high a load that really is. I have spent some time *guessing* what sorts of valid transactions need to happen to DNS and my probably way off target estimate is that this really isn't a large amount of work. Much of it comes from the message that started this whole thing. Jun said dnsadm@ doesn't need help with the work load - just forming rules. I can post the list of transactions I thought of on my own for discussion if that will help. I was sort of hoping Jun would provide it instead because his list would be much less guesswork than mine. He hadn't provided any guideance in his initial messages saying this needed to be worked out so I took that to mean he didn't have the time to participate much and I went ahead with doing the entire guess-at-problem-analyze-results-propose- solution thing all at once. Definitely way too arrogant on my part but I still have no clue how things are supposed to work around here and I'm learning by making this sort of mistake and being corrected... :-) -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel |