From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 21:34:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE6216A420 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-11.bluehost.com [69.89.18.111]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BED5D13C483 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 32397 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 2007 21:34:02 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1IJFdp-0007K6-K9 for FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:34:01 -0600 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l79LY0E0074796 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l79LXxXn074795 for FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:33:59 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20070809213359.GC73498@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Questions@freebsd.org References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Cc: Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:34:03 -0000 On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 12:30:32PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > >For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. > > > > a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky overhead ... > > Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without > hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, > for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... I don't really think of entirely unnecessary (for most purposes) server software as "standard utilities". Speaking only for myself, I *have* tried MacOS X (and used it in a professional capacity), and I too find it to be "very little unix" with "lots of bulky overhead". I also find it actively user-hostile in some of its aesthetic design choices (when your aesthetic sense demands that you make input devices less usable, there's a problem). MacOS X has some definite benefits, but it's not the be-all and end-all of OS design by any stretch. Its biggest benefit is that it's not MS Windows (speaking of user hostility). -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] print substr("Just another Perl hacker", 0, -2);