From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 31 00:09:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D03137B40B for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:09:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515643F3F for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2V8BaqE031998 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:11:37 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:06:35 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id HXZK8N98; Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:06:30 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:14:20 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <0HCJ00245JHP9E@net.WAU.NL> In-Reply-To: <0HCJ00245JHP9E@net.WAU.NL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303311014.21250.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-126.1 required=4.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:09:10 -0000 IMHO (In My Humble Opinion), if anyone has any gripes with the language in the documentation for freebsd, instead of complaining to FreeBSD mailing lists, they should get involved with the documentation projects and write an "understandable" version. I don't mind people complaining about things, but instead of just complaining, suggesting changes would be more useful and, I guess, very welcomed. So, next time you find a complicated man page or technical article, find out the answer by asking questions on mailing lists etc., figure out what it means, and then re-write the documentation in a way that you would find useful for others in your situation. Then submit it for approval and basta, everyone profits. In the end, with everyone doing just a little, the documentation could be vastly improved for non-technical people. Anthony Carter On Sunday 30 March 2003 05:35, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: > Maybe some Norwegian members of the list can speak English on a high level, > maybe even higher than "native" english-speakers, but some Dutchmen on the > list (at least one of them, namely me) cannot follow everything of this > story. Allthough I did get the major part of it, I wonder why such > complicated language is needed. I understand the humor behind it, but I'd > like to say to all of you: SPEAK NORMAL ENGLISH. (no offense :) ) > > Sometimes I even find the manuals too complicated. Open-Source-fighters > should write all their text (especially their manuals) in understandable > english for the "other part" of the community. That's what came up in my > mind while reading this. > > Speaking of the debate here held: I must agree with mr. Clark. Allthough I > like the style and attitude of mr. Manavado (sounds like an "ancient" > behaviour in the Metal-scene) it is clear that no-one should expect from a > non-native english-speaking newbie in the BSD-community to talk > "Queens-english". At least I am refusing to do so. > > On Sat, 29 Mar 2003, Lal Manavado wrote: > > Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:37:58 -0800 > > To: > > From: "Lal Manavado" > > Subject: Re: OT Humble Pie (was hardw words) > > > > As for English not being the first language of many a user, it only > > hightens > > the cogency of our point; namely, a sound knowledge of English would be > > of > > considerable help. There is no logical reason why someone whose second or > > third tongue is English cannot surpass the so-called native speakers, > > some > > of whom merely emit sounds, which they fondly believe to be English. > > > > Hail to thee! > > > > L. M. > > May the blessings of our Emperor be with thee to the end of all ages! > > Fi-Ji > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"