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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v22sm2554159yhl.2.2012.06.06.13.09.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3W71FJ50hwz2CG4D for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:09:40 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120606160940.7700340a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: References: <20120605201900.GB60388@hs1.VERBENA> <20120605172046.2571e964@scorpio> <03ad948ef0fdab7fabfe119fdef00a0a@mail.magehandbook.com> <20120606150500.1345c639@scorpio> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljzIEHJ2tTw1cSFdPQbytie9fQdGfcGB+MBso/sSHeTlhdcwcDWZlI2Y9/7z+g5g2Tye7N Subject: Re: Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware of?] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:09:51 -0000 On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:55:16 -0400 Robert Simmons articulated: >On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400 >> Daniel Staal articulated: >> >>>On 2012-06-05 17:20, Jerry wrote: >>> >>>> The question that I have not seen answered in this thread is what >>>> FreeBSD intents to do. From what I have seen, most FreeBSD users do >>>> not >>>> use the latest versions of most hardware, so it may be a while >>>> before its user base is even effected. >>> >>>I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or >>>another, really.  It's not an immediate problem for any platform >>>supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined >>>user who's willing to check out their BIOS.  (Even if they are using >>>the latest hardware, the x86-derived platforms aren't going to >>>require this code signing yet.)  So it'll probably be a 'wait and >>>see if it's something the FreeBSD community needs a solution for' at >>>this point. But this is just my impression. >> >> I totally agree with you. Unfortunately that speaks to the sad state >> of affairs that FreeBSD appears to be in. When it comes to >> supporting the latest technologies, it tends to be behind the curve >> when compared to other operating systems. Wireless networking and >> USB support are only a few examples. >> >> I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then >> threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with >> use 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows >> units. I don't see that changing anytime soon. > >I would have to disagree with you there. I know of quite a few users >who happen to run one of the world's largest content distribution >networks (accounting for about one third of the internet's traffic; up >there with pornography). They purchased more than just a handful of >new computers and threw FreeBSD on them: > >http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2012-June/068129.html It is late and I am tired; however, unless I am misreading this, this is not dealing with a typical home use but a corporate entity. You omitted my last paragraph in my reply that clearly dealing with corporations. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________