From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 16 17:07:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FF516A419 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from relay.riscworks.net (v32231.1blu.de [88.84.154.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A4D13C455 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timo.schoeler@riscworks.net) Received: from ament.riscworks.net (unknown [92.227.199.97]) by relay.riscworks.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0914136E0006; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:07:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from zoidberg.riscworks.net (zoidberg [192.168.100.100]) by ament.riscworks.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C8D1A24B1; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:07:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:08:00 +0100 From: Timo Schoeler To: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-Id: <20080216180800.309e5af8.timo@riscworks.net> In-Reply-To: <86tzk8vnz9.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <86r6fdx0tf.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20080216113721.GA55702@voi.aagh.net> <86tzk8vnz9.fsf@ds4.des.no> Organization: RISCworks EnvironTech X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.8 (GTK+ 2.12.8; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:25:14 +0000 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.0-RC2 Available X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:07:59 -0000 Thus Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav spake Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:56:58 +0100: > Thomas Hurst writes: > > Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav (des@des.no) writes: > > > Not cost-effective? What is the "street price" of 16 GB disk > > > space these days? About the same as a couple of Big Macs? > > That's roughly half of a common 36G SCSI drive, and still a fairly > > significant chunk of a 73G one. Granted, you probably don't get all > > that many high-memory systems with just one or two dinky disks. >=20 > Don't blame me for your decision to use the most expensive type of > storage available, especially when it has been conclusively shown that > expensive server-grade disks are no more reliable than cheap consumer- > grade disks. Hm. During the last ten years I for myself installed about 1,200 SCSI HDs at customers (plus those that were installed by EMC in storage systems at customers' sites) and at least thrice the amount IDE/SATA HDs. There were hundreds (!) of defects of the consumer grade IDE/SATA HDs, beautifully spreading over the whole spectrum of brands and models used. Number of SCSI drives dead: Nine. I tend to believe there *is* a reason for companies to build SCSI/SAS-only products, be it 'Workstations', Workstations, Servers or storage systems. YMMV, though. =20 > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no Timo