From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 6 22:15: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C976437B491 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from danco (danco.mostgraveconcern.com [10.20.155.2]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f176EY116548; Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <01ce01c090cd$3d38c540$029b140a@danco> Reply-To: "Dan O'Connor" From: "Dan O'Connor" To: "UCTC Sysadmin" Cc: Subject: Re: Not Receiving MSN email.... Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 22:14:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of spam, why did this personal e-mail get cc'd to all these addresses? support@transbay.net; postmaster@msn.com; abuse@msn.com; fraud@ftc.gov; rbl@mail-abuse.org; abuse@uu.net; paul@vix.com; abuse@above.net; dlr@bungi.com; postmaster@boardwatch.com; postmaster@freshmeat.net; jgrosch@mooseriver.com; questions@FreeBSD.ORG; sales@uu.net; info@uu.net; support@transbay.net I don't know about the others, but "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" is an e-mail list with thousands of members. Think about it.... --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com FreeBSD Cheat Sheets http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ -----Original Message----- From: UCTC Sysadmin To: Scott Reese Cc: support@transbay.net ; postmaster@msn.com ; abuse@msn.com ; fraud@ftc.gov ; rbl@mail-abuse.org ; abuse@uu.net ; paul@vix.com ; abuse@above.net ; dlr@bungi.com ; postmaster@boardwatch.com ; postmaster@freshmeat.net ; jgrosch@mooseriver.com ; questions@FreeBSD.ORG ; sales@uu.net ; info@uu.net ; support@transbay.net Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: Re: Not Receiving MSN email.... >His mail is coming through a uu.net dialup, lax3.da.uu.net, which >we are blocking. I have at least three complaints about mail from >users using services that we block since they don't control their >spam. I will work on my spam filter to add the capability to allow >users despite the rest of the domain's mail being blocked. > >Meanwhile, if he wants to bother, have him send a complaint to MSN >to have MSN tell UU.NET to deal with abuse complaints generated >by other-party ISPs. In english: > >Joe ISP has a contract with UU.NET to provide dialup access in LA. >So does MSN. >Joe ISP allows his users to spam us. >We complain to UU.NET. >UU.NET does nothing (they may forward the complaint to Joe ISP, but ... see next line.) >Joe ISP does nothing (his spammers are still happy campers.) >UU.NET doesn't bother to follow up, so Joe ISP's spammers have free rein. >We continue to get Joe ISP's users' spam, so we block the specific UU.NET regional dialup facility. >MSN users are therefore also blocked. > >Because UU.NET NEVER FOLLOWS UP ON COMPLAINTS and because the Joe ISPs >of this world violate UU.NET's AUP with impunity, MSN users (and we) are >inconvenienced. > >UU.NET is supposed to be a reputable company, but they are too busy making >money to pay any attention to the grief their inattention causes. > >We have complained numerous times to UU.NET (hundreds, literally) and they >do nothing, and no human from UU.NET ever contacts us. We have complained >to the FTC, to the RBL, to everyone we can think of whose email address >we can guess off the top of our heads and nobody does a damned thing. > >There is some joker in Panama City, Florida who alone accounts for 25% of >all spam we trap and trash, who has been spamming for MONTHS with impunity, >because Earthlink doesn't do a damned thing about them and UU.NET doesn't >enforce their policies even after I have called them on the phone to explain >the situation and ask them to follow up on the complaints they forward to >Earthlink. Earthlink has done exactly zero (0) about this spammer despite >their $million dollar TV ad suggestion that they fight spam. Forget 7-up, >image IS everything. > >The RBL could get Earthlink's and UU.NET's attention immediately if they listed >Earthlink and/or uu.net in their tables, but they have studiously ignored >my complaints for reasons of their own which they choose not to share with me, >despite my sending them a file containing some 100 trapped-mail headers >documenting the problem and despite my explicitly asking for feedback, even if >they felt they couldn't address the problem. > >So maybe if your dad complains to the right person at MSN we might see some >action on this, but I won't hold my breath. It's left to little ISPs like >us to defend ourselves and handle the mail because NOBODY, including multimillion >dollar access (Earthlink) and transport (uu.net) providers, and enforcement >agencies (RBL), lifts a finger to stop this rampant abuse. Our users don't >get the Panama City spam because I wrote a modification of sendmail explicitly >to trap such third-party-relayed spam. Unfortunately your dad uses UU.NET thanks >to MSN's using them as a transport provider in LA and so his mail is also trashed. >I have to do even more work to allow a few "good" users' mail to get through. > >I seriously would make more money going INTO the spam business - obviously the big >boys won't bother to stop me. Crime pays thanks to the indifferent. > >-ecsd@transbay.net (Eric Dynamic) > >Scott Reese wrote: >> >> Hi Solitaire, >> >> My dad is still having problems emailing me from his msn address. He can send and receive email from everyone >> else he corresponds with, so this leads me to believe that there may be a problem at our end. Here are the headers >> from a message that he sent to my hotmail account. I hope this helps: >> >> From: "monkeya" Save Address - Block >> Sender >> To: "Scott Reese" <*******@hotmail.com> Save Address >> Subject: Re: Hello >> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:17:52 -0800 >> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Received: from [207.46.181.18] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >> MHotMailBC497CDD00BC40043113CF2EB51205AF9; Tue Feb 06 09:18:42 2001 >> Received: from oemcomputer ([63.23.78.34] unverified) by > > ^^^^^^^^^^^ see below > >> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Tue, 6 Feb >> 2001 09:17:56 -0800 >> From monkeybestia@email.msn.com Tue Feb 06 09:18:51 2001 >> Message-ID: <009001c09060$bf850580$d24d173f@oemcomputer> >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 >> Return-Path: monkeybestia@email.msn.com >> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2001 17:17:57.0268 (UTC) >> FILETIME=[BFA1B540:01C09060] >> >> Thanks in advance for your assistance. >> >> -Scott >> >> Scott Reese >> Internet Sales/Development > > >station36[209] # traceroute 63.23.78.34 >traceroute to 63.23.78.34 (63.23.78.34), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 cromwell (209.133.53.1) 0.703 ms 0.697 ms 0.624 ms > 2 ITalkToTheWind (209.133.55.10) 2.894 ms 3.091 ms 5.251 ms > 3 main-133-88.sjc.above.net (209.133.88.4) 5.175 ms 3.194 ms 2.916 ms > 4 core5-main1-oc12.sjc1.above.net (208.185.175.249) 3.116 ms 3.043 ms 2.983 ms > 5 core3-sjc1-oc48.sjc2.above.net (208.184.102.206) 3.030 ms 4.696 ms 5.851 ms > 6 pao1-sjc2-oc48.pao1.above.net (208.184.233.142) 9.377 ms 17.416 ms * > 7 POS1-1-0.GW9.PAO1.ALTER.NET (157.130.197.121) 12.633 ms 6.750 ms 3.960 ms > 8 136.ATM2-0.XR1.PAO1.ALTER.NET (152.63.52.186) 6.660 ms 8.494 ms 7.175 ms > 9 189.at-2-0-0.TR3.SCL1.ALTER.NET (152.63.48.222) 23.299 ms 5.687 ms 4.880 ms >10 107.at-5-1-0.TR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (146.188.140.137) 94.203 ms 87.450 ms 84.307 ms >11 297.at-1-0-0.XR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.237) 85.003 ms 90.146 ms 102.171 ms >12 191.at-3-0-0.HR1.LAX9.ALTER.NET (152.63.114.113) 139.951 ms 139.420 ms 128.945 ms >13 111.ATM3-0.DR3.LAX3.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.137) 118.416 ms 113.181 ms 113.944 ms >14 tnt9.lax3.da.uu.net (206.115.153.201) 117.823 ms 115.177 ms 133.320 ms >15 2Cust34.tnt9.lax3.da.uu.net (63.23.78.34) 3095.949 ms 3277.546 ms 3913.309 ms > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message