From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 9 15:57:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD367106566C for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost0.waddell.com (mailhost0.waddell.com [12.154.38.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951CF8FC1A for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (mailhost3.waddell.com [10.1.10.28]) by mailhost0.waddell.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n39FuUMg025126; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:56:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost3.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 36F6D785A8; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:56:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wadpexf0.waddell.com (wadpexf0.waddell.com [192.168.204.24]) by mailhost3.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB462785B1; Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPEXV0.waddell.com ([192.168.204.25]) by wadpexf0.waddell.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:56:15 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793E953@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> In-Reply-To: <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793E952@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: new package system proposal Thread-Index: Acm48Dh3prpVc/iVSRqXNh7t+h2IOwANoH6gAAESGBAAACFh8A== References: <49D76B02.4060201@onetel.com><200904080859.41807.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <54db43990904081224l7c006143icac411c482401620@mail.gmail.com> <200904090916.12786.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <92bcbda50904090114r2924d03p606d30a7fc91f84d@mail.gmail.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793E950@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> <70C0964126D66F458E688618E1CD008A0793E952@WADPEXV0.waddell.com> From: "Gary Gatten" To: "n j" , "User Questions" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2009 15:56:15.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[B69462C0:01C9B92B] Cc: Subject: RE: new package system proposal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:57:02 -0000 As expected..... pkg_delete: package 'heimdal-1.0.1' is required by these other packages and may not be deinstalled: freeradius-2.1.3 FreeRADIUS is the WHOLE reason I'm trying to install SAMBA! LOVE this B$!!! -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gatten=20 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:54 AM To: 'n j'; 'User Questions' Subject: RE: new package system proposal This is the kinda B$ I'm talking about. Trying to install krb5 from ports, and after 2 hours (or more) of finding and compiling dependencies and whatever else "make" does - it aborts! WTF!!! I'm sure when I try to remove "heimdal-1.0.1" it will cause more problems that lead to more problems.... =3D=3D=3D> Installing for krb5-1.6.3_5 =3D=3D=3D> krb5-1.6.3_5 conflicts with installed package(s): heimdal-1.0.1 They install files into the same place. Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/krb5. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gatten=20 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:46 AM To: 'n j'; User Questions Subject: RE: new package system proposal I haven't worked with *nix os's as much as FreeBSD - Well, maybe different flavors of SCO but as far as installing apps and what not mostly FreeBSD. I've installed maybe half a dozen apps and NONE of them took less than 2 - 3 days. Part of that is my slow a$$ test system - and my ignorance, but it seems like a MAJOR hassle for even the simplest thing! It could just be me, but seems like many developers choose to link to other libraries/modules even if they just need one simple function they could build into their source directly. Hence a dependency is "needlessly" created. Multiply this 500 times and installing a simple app turns into a nightmare. I'm definitely gonna start trying to use more packages than ports, but the port system is necessary and eventually I get stuff working! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of n j Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:15 AM To: User Questions Subject: Re: new package system proposal I'd like to use this opportunity to generally support this and any other ideas taking direction of making binary installs and upgrades easier and more manageable. I recognize the need for people to configure custom options and compile from ports (that is why any new system *must* be compatible with ports), however, it should be noted that there's a lot of people running simple LAMP servers, almost exclusively using default options, who would greatly benefit from better binary package support. I've already ranted about this (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-December/1881 19.html) in a slightly different context (I talked about -SECURITY equivalent instead of -DESKTOP that the OP suggests) with almost the same idea - make it easy for people who are interested in running stable, secure servers do binary upgrades without the hassle of going through a major system recompile because of, for example, openldap shared library version bump. Regards, --=20 Nino _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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