From nobody Wed Sep 21 21:50:20 2022 X-Original-To: dev-commits-src-all@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MXsXm2vHqz4cR0v for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe30.google.com (mail-vs1-xe30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MXsXm28PLz3tV6 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe30.google.com with SMTP id k2so8267791vsk.8 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=iWRfnuNG9Nh4vv5eHOGnzaYo4inD2qPk7JELPnRVDU8=; b=CYQXHoKsobTkuIcHoK7t8dJbxcy9JFcT2E7Vo5bwh0wH55cLKvnkNGV5TJ4CIVroyM OW20Ziwp+l27gHht3yaJslOeu7F2A2A98hMP1BWLqpMfaXOh6rfYXNgd82pP15GpsV9M niQBc5mX4wPUuQIdFSmY9swkCIxlDVhgy9X5RU39Hu1OHbf96+7r6Aup73nzZEYw1/yb vpU/PtgPTzl32TFIJp6hMd9/uzLK9lJuGd+LUwoGCuy+fR4mA+k5y6AFKoceUfzGfRnP loubTtzFtkkHU/9QvkIPmIVMg2icuQlQnPPmwTt++8vtHetnWEkn4aqY66XrfLPSyhol Z9BA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=iWRfnuNG9Nh4vv5eHOGnzaYo4inD2qPk7JELPnRVDU8=; b=AIEbY39umyQVpiARiAaM1HzE/knXFkUUrdV0ah7LXhFpm4EBhSUC4270PBksjXhJTE tqulxOU9E6XM+xi3uMq0OLPKpfiqzCS42JgCnl7UF77qc8QtX7DrcDHgwS8IOO4ghe8M sBixlkZpprCEguEDlwDS32BH44yoUX4auvGPBiLz3IeADrGjGzseb2VlydM33A451AbH mmW7HedKaky3UTZ/Td1blAOB5WZZ2xIS8gcA8V4TERosJ8UJ5Oqvjg/j5qjKttlcftZq McxExesk8tWR98FRJXXqGPKpo1TOPIvNyLeUSKnm8iCeXEc+WPaFCTVke0sSKf8H02aH xC9A== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0jbQ24aZq7iKyz5cK5IHd9Fs8d23hJiVCQmpea2zTwFmFmi84U Et5FzGcBvQbqwdz6aneA4gnclvx43vB9UsVB9jlxeOIZW+o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5OKzsOMWBRno6FJta2utYi7yzDXQIJmcBnw5i0lqB1cctKaF9lXAh0pDCrqOe6yNVh77YOW1v6uEWMYnn2FdI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:fb8a:0:b0:398:9d72:bddf with SMTP id n10-20020a67fb8a000000b003989d72bddfmr144129vsr.38.1663797031486; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Commit messages for all branches of the src repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-src-all List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: dev-commits-src-all@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202209211517.28LFHkoJ089471@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <20220921163951.17C77AC@slippy.cwsent.com> <8EC34FC3-F299-4B03-AD4E-83D062D0E9F6@karels.net> <5c162710def7eb94c032dfab73e9560e@lerctr.org> In-Reply-To: <5c162710def7eb94c032dfab73e9560e@lerctr.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:50:20 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: git: 24e1824e4646 - main - Deprecate telnet daemon To: Larry Rosenman Cc: Gleb Smirnoff , Mike Karels , Cy Schubert , Brooks Davis , src-committers , "" , dev-commits-src-main@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000a601b05e936efc8" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4MXsXm28PLz3tV6 X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --0000000000000a601b05e936efc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 3:21 PM Larry Rosenman wrote: > On 09/21/2022 4:11 pm, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > > Mike, > > > > On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 01:02:17PM -0500, Mike Karels wrote: > > M> I have no problem with deprecating (or removing) telnetd in base. I > > M> think the client should remain, though. I use it frequently, > > although > > M> not on the telnet port. ftp* are another issue; anonymous FTP is a > > M> perfectly reasonable usage. I use it to download FreeBSD images > > often. > > > > Is there any service where telnet to a port would be preferred over > > nc(1)? > > telnet is basically finger memory (at least for me), and > nc isn't > in base (AFAIR) > Deprecating telnet***d*** doesn't change that at all. telnet, the client, is still in base.. but so is nc and it has been since (git blame usr.bin/nc/Makefile.... ) 2005. Warner --0000000000000a601b05e936efc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 3:21 PM Larry= Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> wrot= e:
On 09/21/2022= 4:11 pm, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> Mike,
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 01:02:17PM -0500, Mike Karels wrote:
> M> I have no problem with deprecating (or removing) telnetd in base= .=C2=A0 I
> M> think the client should remain, though.=C2=A0 I use it frequentl= y,
> although
> M> not on the telnet port.=C2=A0 ftp* are another issue; anonymous = FTP is a
> M> perfectly reasonable usage.=C2=A0 I use it to download FreeBSD i= mages
> often.
>
> Is there any service where telnet to a port would be preferred over > nc(1)?

telnet <host> <port> is basically finger memory (at least for m= e), and
nc isn't
in base (AFAIR)

Deprecating telnet***d*= **=C2=A0 doesn't change that at all. telnet, the client, is still in
base.. but so is nc and it has been since (git blame usr.bin/nc= /Makefile.... ) 2005.

Warner
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