From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 8 07:22:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA6916A41F for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:22:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@aebc.com) Received: from imail.aebc.com (dns1.aebc.com [209.53.200.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B829A43D45 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:22:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@aebc.com) Received: from aebc.com [209.139.247.233] by imail.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A6E1AC1011A; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:23:13 -0700 Received: from chris [209.53.197.59] by aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ADA33410126; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:45:55 -0700 From: "Chris St Denis" To: "'Scott W'" , Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:46:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <431B418E.5080605@mindcore.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcWxgaEAHj5uLx6nQNeIGKD1KHQl/wCfBS3Q Message-Id: <200509071545484.SM00812@chris> X-RBL-Warning: NOPOSTMASTER: "Not supporting postmaster@aebc.com" X-RBL-Warning: IPNOTINMX: X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam [4000021e]. X-RBL-Warning: CMDSPACE: Space found in RCPT TO: command. X-Declude-Sender: chris@aebc.com [209.53.197.59] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6da3034101260d56.SMD X-Note: Email was scanned by AE's anti-spam system in MX2 server. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from zz197059.cipherkey.net ([209.53.197.59]). X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 3. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOPOSTMASTER [1], IPNOTINMX [0], SPAMHEADERS [0], CMDSPACE [5] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: and the winner is... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:22:01 -0000 a. I am hoping to see this fixed in 6.x b. This I agree with. As a desktop client FreeBSD still needs work. c. sysutils/portaudit -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Scott W Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:49 AM To: mcarugno@gmail.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: and the winner is... Mario Carugno wrote: > I there, i was trying freebsd for a while, and comparing it against > debian/linux. > The winner was Debian by far... Freebsd could be stable, but it is not > faster... and Debian is far much more 'usable'. > Freebsd package installation is very laborious compared with Debian's apt > system. I have to search in each CD, know dependences,... > X configuration is hard too when the autodetected configuration doesn't > works... > I think fbsd is good, but needs some user facilities. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Lame. Care to actually _back up_ your statement with something substantial? cvsup and ports is the best package management system I've seen yet in it generally 'just works right.' That statement is made with 12 years of Linux experience, as well as Solaris and other *nixes. For a server system, FreeBSD is really hard to beat. The closest might be Gentoo, but their portage (based on BSD ports) system isn't as consistently stable as BSD ports (meaning things break more often). As it's not a _great_ idea IMO to even have build tools (gcc and toolchain) on a production server, it's not a bad idea to have a seperate build host somewhere, but that applies equally to any system, and you also have the option to go with binary packages. Let me know how the following goes for you with Deb or other Linux distro besides gentoo- install PHP or apache with _only_ the options that you want/need. Oh right....you can't, without compiling from source, at which point you've lost your 'package management.' Oops? Read the Handbook, try to get enough of a clue to understand it, use it for a month, and then come back with a statement you can back up. Otherwise....piss off. The only 'real' gripes I've got with FreeBSD are: a. thread performance - from what I've seen, still lags behind Linux (mysql benchmarks show this to be true at leat for 5-STABLE). b. desktop BSD 'out of box experience'- mixed, as BSD is primarily a server OS, but with 'roll your own' capabilities...oh, and there are now two 'desktop BSD' type projects. So not really a gripe, but can see someone complaining about it a bit, if they don't find the Dekstop BSD project. c. security patch notification system (may exist now?). Yes, you can get emails from the security ML, but now quite the same as for example, 'smpatch analyze' on Solaris 9/10. This could be argued that's _exactly_ what rel-STABLE is, however, so again, not a real issue, although a user friendly (for people using as a desktop OS) tool would be of benefit. Geeze, compared to my gripes against Linux and *nix distros. these are really pretty damned trivial. If thread performance comes up to par with Linux, FreeBSD has a very good chance of becoming my choice for 'personal *nix' (ie, my primary workstation, laptops, etc) over Gentoo. Scott _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"