From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Oct 28 13:42:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB5E37B404 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mg.hk5.outblaze.com (202-77-181-23.outblaze.com [202.77.181.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324D543E75 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:42:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from derekbarrett@graffiti.net) Received: from ws3.hk5.outblaze.com (202-77-181-90.outblaze.com [202.77.181.90]) by mg.hk5.outblaze.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g9SLggZ30548 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:42:42 GMT Received: (qmail 1570 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Oct 2002 21:42:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20021028214242.1569.qmail@graffiti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [66.51.217.108] by ws3.hk5.outblaze.com with http for derekbarrett@graffiti.net; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:42:42 +0800 From: "Derek Barrett" To: , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 05:42:42 +0800 Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux For Managers Part 2 X-Originating-Ip: 66.51.217.108 X-Originating-Server: ws3.hk5.outblaze.com Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just coming up with things off the top of my head. Though these aren't in "managerese" language: *As for using FreeBSD as a workstation, MacOSX is based off of FreeBSD code *Stability of a very mature and tight code base *BSD is actually UNIX, and not a clone of UNIX, so it's much easier for UNIX admins to use *File system layout is standardized, along with standard UNIX tools that have been around and used for decades. (For example, if I want to use traceroute on BSD, I just use traceroute, instead of "tracepath" on Linux). The standard filesystem along with the tools save and extraordinary amount of administration time. *Runs Linux applications (along with SCO UNIX apps) *Case studies include Yahoo!, the backend of Hotmail, and the special effects for the movie the Matrix *Of all the websites in the world, EVERY SINGLE ONE of them with the highest uptimes, are running some variation of BSD. Some of these machines haven't been rebooted in YEARS: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html That's all I can think of. No offense to the community at large, but the FreeBSD advocacy efforts seem to be outdated and have fallen by the wayside. What Postgres had alot of success with, was they basically just asked everyone in the community that was using it, to come back and let them know. This was awesome, because what came back was very surprising, we learned that Cisco, BASF, and the .INFO domains all use Postgres. Postgres recently beat out Oracle (there were about 15 firms and they all were proposing to us Oracle) to host the entire .ORG registry. I feel that FreeBSD desparately needs to update its case studies. We should follow the Postgres example. Heck, I'll even set something up like the Postgres Advocacy site, if people want to let everyone know that their company is using FreeBSD. ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnson David Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:11:34 -0800 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux For Managers... > A coworker and I are planning on replacing about 20 LynxOS lab workstations > with FreeBSD. We originally chose LynxOS because that's what our embedded > products use. But its getting too expensive to support it on workstation, and > they're difficult to maintain. > > I stepped up to the plate and set up a prototype workstation with FreeBSD, > with an identical look-and-feel to the other workstations (mwm, development > scripts, etc), and created a step-by-step guide to installation and > configuration. > > The sole purpose of these workstations is to connect to our embedded products > via cu. > > We are all set to go to roll out FreeBSD to the other lab workstations. But > some Linux advocate in the company is starting to raise a stink (even though > he is unwilling to help in the conversion and subsequent maintenance). Now > the manager in charge of the machines wants a report on why FreeBSD was > chosen instead of Linux. Sigh. > > So what good reasons translated into Manager-ese can I present? > > Thanks, > > David Johnson > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnson David Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:11:34 -0800 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux For Managers... > A coworker and I are planning on replacing about 20 LynxOS lab workstations > with FreeBSD. We originally chose LynxOS because that's what our embedded > products use. But its getting too expensive to support it on workstation, and > they're difficult to maintain. > > I stepped up to the plate and set up a prototype workstation with FreeBSD, > with an identical look-and-feel to the other workstations (mwm, development > scripts, etc), and created a step-by-step guide to installation and > configuration. > > The sole purpose of these workstations is to connect to our embedded products > via cu. > > We are all set to go to roll out FreeBSD to the other lab workstations. But > some Linux advocate in the company is starting to raise a stink (even though > he is unwilling to help in the conversion and subsequent maintenance). Now > the manager in charge of the machines wants a report on why FreeBSD was > chosen instead of Linux. Sigh. > > So what good reasons translated into Manager-ese can I present? > > Thanks, > > David Johnson > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message