From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 5 01:27:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D9333A433 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 01:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49dQ405j39z4YYD for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2020 01:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id s1so9721742ljo.0 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 18:27:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=rWa1PqUYRg9Gs8jtsxtLtJ5pRrSc8wJKu/fzywMqIxs=; b=n2oCESVnUFVafIjpZSAQsuMd8uhFh9hsVuPXzT5XUnSN4Wj6DCHGrKzpiohPcPebAt 3i/EAi63NjPLU9THxysm4NknsHs0a06wueJTzZfDPjwSuJrYqg9OE7219kqTPXIVCVMZ 8Paix+N+RoMQEalTrtBC5plJTL1B7tDiMpn7zcEcrwAJzMDESSSEO3/Zvkksb+jn6hSS spoM+ebzs9u09W3eKaaTflpB/yZJePhdNXIqqqT/XxsWSqDD8ywSQ4LP68ZaJOSnRSMM yb5dHmhDzj9IpVE8zcUc6PO+ja3E45jiq1jYw+Pn/SUmxCvRlO3sc82ID7j8VmUwT/rE Juuw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rWa1PqUYRg9Gs8jtsxtLtJ5pRrSc8wJKu/fzywMqIxs=; b=BtdBksxfxyux2HdG9y9HWDJ4bYj0sN+X72cw5m/t5I2ETMy1Uq83HKNNxpofbz1jvr 9zyQfLV72j3ELO+tQrRFWR1a8muHKQv7uV+Yb4EanxsTbSv2ktyQizYHygcTyJ1kkg4f ODVkqEQ7MtI1F7KtgErjU/3oj5YkN2tkS6PXjFTBTRulbkMLuwz2MlP9wCqQQL0zDFPa oBM6q3nmj1Ot4jv6+7K7YSj3KBnheOuxVCnk+YmOzQtMb3eJiInJtTgh540d9fkHwv1Q fvUjAjiLSqh8wUBo1K17CkjGxoo/pQIRMn2vhmYCHw+OSuwKLbmpBiBYqoSADkvHcw32 QKRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532IMG+UULoaUe1vAppCAGztK8k3LmXIVKB4hBESP5ECk0GObAYe izIp/cbTUge4e0LEtVKKDyD9BznJx3Gfe8cRWNI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwc4LdjhtdFI4jc8vuWLjhaCqDbKQN8zkgLygKJVMuytGaK78SOFfBB/p4m5TE3+OdNRTbXNU4ReKTtXBWERlY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8053:: with SMTP id p19mr3509693ljg.199.1591320430714; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 18:27:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6504:47:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: dwilde1@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <20200605030925.e4194867.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20200604005859.ca438474.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604020051.0c02472d.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200604074134.89eb6518.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200605024331.51b34130.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200605030925.e4194867.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Donald Wilde Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minimal skills To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49dQ405j39z4YYD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=n2oCESVn; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.90 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[dwilde1@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.867]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.039]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.991]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[gmail.com]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22c:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 01:27:13 -0000 On 6/4/20, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:54:15 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: >> On 6/4/20, Polytropon wrote: >> > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:08:01 -0700, Donald Wilde wrote: >> >> If it's an Android phone, whatever MUA you have on it should also have >> >> such setting switches. >> > >> > Emailing on a smartphone is a terrible experience. Real people >> > use a real computer for real stuff. :-) >> >> I'm busily re-designing smartphones in my 'spare' cycles because they >> barely fit my needs for a _phone_! > > Smartphones are not _designed_ to be used for phone calls. :-) ROFL VVH! Imagine that! What are they, status symbols of the poor and clueless? > > > >> >> What I'd suggest that you do is to go to gmail.com and create >> >> brandon.helsey@gmail.com and subscribe that address to your >> >> open-source mailing list collection. The GMail client can be accessed >> >> from any (lynx, anyone? Haven't tested THAT one :) ) web browser, so >> >> you can use this on your FreeBSD machine or even a public library >> >> computer. >> > >> > Which, from a security point of view, is one of the worst things >> >> Point taken. As you can see, 'easy' has overtaken 'secure' for me for >> some time. As yet, my GMail hasn't been hacked and it does a pretty >> good job of stomping spam, especially from actual live politicians. >> ;-) [snip] My Yahoo account has been hacked. I suppose it'll eventually happen to GMail as well. Well, I'll have plenty of servers to replace it with soon enough. > > >> >> The downside to GMail is that it is more difficult to categorize >> >> e-mails, but IIRC it can be done. >> > >> > In my opinion, it's just added complexity to something as simple >> > as email. Adding Google's Gmail to the mix does not lead to any >> > benefits, I'd say. Probably "hotmail.com" already offers some >> > web mailer that could be used. But as there is IMAP confirmed, >> > why not use that with a normal mailing program on a real computer? >> > Anything is better than trying to do this on a smartphone, without >> > real success... :-) >> > >> >> Actually, I do like to have folders of e-mails that I stash, but >> that's a personal preference. > > Hey, I do the same with Sylpheed - the "sidebar" on the left > contains a sorting hierarchy. Such hierarchies can be maintained > automatically by filters acting to keywords, or manually by > mouse drag & drop. Thunderbird also has this feature, making > it easy to manage IMAP accounts using your local interface and > not having to worry about Internet connection - actions will be > taken at synchronization time that you can decide on yourself > ("offline mode"). >> It sounds like the MBox format can do >> that, so I'll make a transition myself in some near future. > > Both mbox and MailDir can be used for hierarchical storage. > The main difference is that in mbox, you have _one_ file per > mailbox, which can lead to big files; in MailDir, you have > one file per message, which can lead to many files. Depending > on filesystem parameters, one or the other can slow down > message retrieval when you have millions of messages. Thanks for the edu experience, Polytropon! <(_ _)> :D Nothing can slow things down as much as Windows 10 does, out of the box. I have an i7 4-core tower with 16GB of DDR4 and it's a slug that I am always worried will do something Very Stupid(TM by MS) to me, like reformatting my "damaged" USB key without asking. > As I mentioned, the storage mechamism doesn't actually matter > as in the end, it all looks the same to the user: > > +-----------------------------------------------------+ > | [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] | > +----------+------------------------------------------+ Dang, P! PUNCH CARDS??? -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************