From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Feb 12 16:40:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mail.whitey.at (chello212186056066.12.vie.surfer.at [212.186.56.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CABE737B404 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 70024 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2002 23:39:13 -0000 Received: from void.whitey.at (HELO whitey.at) (192.168.1.1) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Feb 2002 23:39:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3C670442.1060506@whitey.at> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:37:38 +0100 From: Christian Weihs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020123 X-Accept-Language: de-at, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD admin Tool References: <20020210144127.79006.qmail@web11405.mail.yahoo.com> <20020210152836.C72C14093@i8k.babbleon.org> <3C6698D5.3040306@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Moran wrote: >> FreeBSD has vi. What else do you need? :-) > > > ee or emacs, I can't stand vi (ducks the incomming flames ...) Well, that's what I like about the UN*X flavours. Everyone can choose among a ton of tools. I actually prefer vi :-) >> No, seriously, there are a number of tools to help with various tasks >> on the ports, but no pretty GUI tool. I happen to like that, but if >> you don't, you're welcome to write one. > > > One excellent, overall tool is webmin. It seems to integrate nicely with > FreeBSD, and since it works with most UNIX variants, you can train IT > personel > on it and then install it on all your UNIXish machines. Tried it but it seemed...well...a bit weak. Nothing better than doing # vi /etc/rc.conf but that's a matter of taste. For untrained personnel it's ok I guess. The more you get involved with FreeBSD, the more you want to do things by hand. >> It is *not* as comprehensive as some of the Linux administrative >> tools; for other tasks, check out the FreeBSD Handbook (at the freebsd >> site) and follow the directions there. To me this is an advantage >> (it's one reason I switched from Linux--it was getting too user >> friendly [== obscures what's really going on] for me . . . I feel a Deja Vu coming up ;-) SuSE has this tool, YAST. Nice but on the latest distros you have to install a ton of packages just to get it running. See "user friendly" earlier. > I agree here as well. A slightly related story is the number of NT > server installations > that I've fixed because the dumbass who installed it didn't really know > what he was > doing, but just clicked around until it seemed to work. Hmm, at the last company I worked for they set up an ActiveDirectory DomainController. It barely ran because nobody had thought about digging into docs. I voted for Samba but those bozos only wanted Windoze because of the nice-point-and-click-graphical-user-interface-for-dummies. Sad. And now to the real meaning of Life: Try out what you can. You'll find the right tool for everything. Christian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message