From owner-freebsd-current Thu Dec 31 10:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03958 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:56:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com (ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com [205.152.173.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03941; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:56:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ck@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com) Received: (from ck@localhost) by ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA12412; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:55:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19981231135547.W4306@ns1.adsu.bellsouth.com> Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:55:47 -0500 From: Christian Kuhtz To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , alexandr@mail.eecis.udel.edu Cc: dcs@newsguy.com, committers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Postfix is coming. new uid, gid required. References: <199812311807.KAA27750@hub.freebsd.org> <199812311832.KAA01002@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199812311832.KAA01002@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 10:32:29AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 10:32:29AM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: [..] > 1. Wietse Venema's beta is better then many finished products. > We have been using it to deliver the FreeBSD mailing lists for > months. [..] Does it really make our product better if we deploy beta code in it? There is a reason why Wietse is so highly regarded, and that is because of the fact that he is so careful. So, if we trust his reputation, shouldn't we at least have the grace to follow his footsteps? If it's good stuff, it'll be around in a few months, and people who are clamoring to get Sendmail relief will most certainly be able to survive a few months longer. They have thus far. It is great that hub.freebsd.org has been running on it very succesfully. Wietse doesn't appear to care about it to move it to released stage? > 4. if you believe that there is a problem with postfix, please tell > me what it is. the problem must be one with postfix, not how its > labelled or who is hyping it. [..] Labels do make a difference. Many corporations have written Q&A rules according to which you cannot/must not deploy any product and run production on it that is labeled as beta. It is completely irrelevant if it passes the internal Q&A if it is labeled as beta. We're one of them. And you can very well get fired for doing it anyway. I like vmailer^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpostfix a lot and use it for lab purposes. But neither I nor anyone else anywhere in this huge organization can deploy it currently for that very reason. We should be conservative in released components, particularly with regards to commercial use. I am not against Postfix, I believe in Postfix. Yes, I am very unhappy with Sendmail's state at the present time. Sendmail is not part of the equasion, it is how we do releases and how carefully we maintain the code base. Introducing something that's labeled as beta into a release is not a part of careful code base maintenance, IMHO. If memory serves, Postfix would indeed be the only thing in /usr/src/contrib which is beta. We are setting what might be a perhaps dangerous precedent. Even though I like the idea of having Postfix around. Cheers, Chris -- "Economics is extremely useful as a form of employment for economists." -- John Kenneth Galbraith [Disclaimer: I speak for myself and my views are my own and not in any way to be construed as the views of BellSouth Corporation. ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message