From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 9 05:09:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E457916A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 05:09:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3802843D1D for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 05:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i29D9UUA025592; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:09:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost)i29D9Tut025587; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:09:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:09:29 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Joao Schim In-Reply-To: <20040308123841.7be93c08.j.schim@netmaniacs.nl> Message-ID: <20040309144805.E68396@haldjas.folklore.ee> References: <20040308063951.VMBB16454.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp.bellnexxia.net> <20040308123841.7be93c08.j.schim@netmaniacs.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on haldjas.folklore.ee cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:09:34 -0000 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Joao Schim wrote: > > I'd say you need to concentrate on a desktop environment when you want > more userbase. Kick out crashy KDE and must-be-1337 gnome and create a > decent environment created around the user instead of around technology. > I really doubt the gnome or kde guys ever heard of usability. Not only have they heard of usability, both camps have both looked at it extensively and in case of gnome there have been several real usability tests. But as you brought up usability - have you ever done any serious usability related work / at least read any related books?