From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 27 07:03:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2987A16A548 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp4.server.rpi.edu (smtp4.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1C043D53 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 07:03:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp4.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4R73f9G019877; Sat, 27 May 2006 03:03:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <672BC9B0-5BE8-41CF-B5F0-5E00DD686A54@orthanc.ca> References: <20060527024407.GA2525@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20060527035306.GH744@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <672BC9B0-5BE8-41CF-B5F0-5E00DD686A54@orthanc.ca> Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 03:03:40 -0400 To: Lyndon Nerenberg , Peter Jeremy From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) on 128.113.2.4 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [RFC] Removal of Fortran from the base system X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 07:03:50 -0000 At 9:12 PM -0700 5/26/06, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: >On May 26, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >>- Nothing in the base system depends on FORTRAN. > >I'm sure you could make that argument for half of >the programs in /usr/bin. None of which are being imported from some separate project (e.g.: the gcc folks), and none of which will slow down the import of the vendor version of some component that the base system most certainly does need ("gcc"). >I don't have a problem with unbundling per-se. I do >have a problem with the totally specious arguments >that have been put forth so far to justify Fortran's >removal. If there are real reasons for it, let's hear >them. Because it will get in the way of the gcc import. And yes, since I work at RPI I do know that a lot of people still use fortran. One of the guys who works here in the computer center wrote a book on fortran for engineers ("Classical Fortran"), and it still sells. But the fact that fortran is useful does not mean it must be in the base system. Given that fortran is in a state of flux in the gcc world, I expect that fortran users will be better served by a port which can be updated when fortran needs to be updated, instead of being stuck with a version that will only be updated when gcc needs to be updated. This message is all the paint that I'm going to put on this particular bikeshed. I am merely stating my own personal opinion on this, and have no intention of getting into a debate. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA