From owner-freebsd-security Wed Jul 26 18:13:50 1995 Return-Path: security-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA29992 for security-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:13:50 -0700 Received: from gndrsh.aac.dev.com (gndrsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA29985 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:13:48 -0700 Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by gndrsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA27356; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:13:25 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199507270113.SAA27356@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: secure/ changes... To: sjb@austin.ibm.com (Scott Brickner) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: jaitken@cslab.vt.edu, sef@kithrup.com, security@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9507262343.AA18171@ozymandias.austin.ibm.com> from "Scott Brickner" at Jul 26, 95 06:43:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1775 Sender: security-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Jeff Aitken writes: > >Although I don't claim to understand much about this whole issue, many > >of the net.lawyers (and probably a few real ones too ;) think > >Zimmermann is not guilty, but that hasn't stopped the DoJ from > >prosecuting him (last I heard). Perhaps Rodney is simply taking the > >position that he isn't willing to risk it, even if it seems like > >importing crypto software isn't relaly illegal in all cases. The > >entire FreeBSD core team has gone to great lengths to avoid any further > >confrontations with USL, despite the beliefs of many well informed > >people who thought their lawsuit was groundless/pointless/useless/ > >frivilous/etc. Perhaps that lesson is carrying over into this issue... > > They aren't prosecuting him, yet. They're just persecuting him. > No formal charges have been brought. > > I assume you bring this up to point out that the legality of the > issue is independent from persecution on the issue. True. But > the persecution is still based on a specific prohibition --- > export of crypto --- under ITAR. ITAR doesn't cover import. > Were import illegal, PRZ would also be harrassed for the import > of IDEA. He isn't, ergo import is legal. Your conclusion is not sound, though it may seem ``logical'' to some, it is missing the premise that they don't have to press charges on issues if they don't want to, and that they also often use the strongest charge to get the indictment, then latter add anything and everything they can to that to increase the ``persecution''. Perhaps not only should you go study law, but deductive logic as well :-) :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD